Comments Thread For: Malignaggi: Utterly Ridiculous Guy As Good As Whyte Hasn't Had Heavyweight Title Shot

[Ant1979]

To me Ortiz is a better fighter than Whyte and was fighting the same competition so the first fight with Ortiz was warranted I don't think the WBC were protecting Wilder by letting him fight Ortiz and the rematch well Wilder was losing that fight too until he caught Ortiz so it's not like it was a easy fight it was an interim fight before the Fury rematch.

Now that Fury is the champ and there is rematch clause and now the COVID he is going to be waiting another year or more lol he should have just gone the AJ route. I though he was also reinstated as the WBC interim champ he will face the winner of the rematch eventually probably after a Joshua unification lol.

Aside from that he lost that first Chisora fight and his fight was Rivas should be a NC but yeah I gave him credit for beating Lucas Browne and Joseph Parker as well as knocking out Chisora the 2nd time he definitely deserves a shot but politics of boxing man Wilder and Fury are bigger stars and that is what is lined up at the moment Fury isn't fighting in the UK anytime soon and nobody knows who Dillian Whyte is in the United States.

I'm not overly sold on Ortiz to be honest, he's got the fundamentals and reasonable power but he definitely benefits from the 'Cuban Southpaw' stereotype. If he was called Barry and came from Doncaster, England he'd definitely be perceived very differently.

I've seen him fight in the UK twice and he looked awful. His best win is over Jennings and if you look at his amateur career he was by no means a top international. There's a few boxers on Whyte's record that beat Jennings for me and give Ortiz all he can handle too.

The fact that Wilder preferred to face Ortiz over Whyte twice tells you everything. I'm not saying Whyte would have beaten Wilder, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if he got sparked closing the distance but then again it wouldn't surprise me if Wilder got flopped up against the ropes. But the fact remains it would have been a far more credible match up for both Wilder and the WBC.

Not that I'm overly surprised by the We Be Crooks. I remember how they shafted Martinez to the benefit of the undeserving and entitled Chavez Jnr. Whyte's just the latest and certainly won't be the last.

But when people defend the WBC in such circumstances and justify their behaviour as just 'politics' they become part of the problem. It's just a massive turn off (to new fans in particular) to the sport we love.

I don't want to see a boring list of WBC rules listed on a forum with loopholes left, right and centre offering plenty of wriggle room. I want to see the champions take on the best contenders because that's where's the entertainment's at.

[Kannabis Kid]

I'm not overly sold on Ortiz to be honest, he's got the fundamentals and reasonable power but he definitely benefits from the 'Cuban Southpaw' stereotype. If he was called Barry and came from Doncaster, England he'd definitely be perceived very differently.

I've seen him fight in the UK twice and he looked awful. His best win is over Jennings and if you look at his amateur career he was by no means a top international. There's a few boxers on Whyte's record that beat Jennings for me and give Ortiz all he can handle too.

The fact that Wilder preferred to face Ortiz over Whyte twice tells you everything. I'm not saying Whyte would have beaten Wilder, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if he got sparked closing the distance but then again it wouldn't surprise me if Wilder got flopped up against the ropes. But the fact remains it would have been a far more credible match up for both Wilder and the WBC.

Not that I'm overly surprised by the We Be Crooks. I remember how they shafted Martinez to the benefit of the undeserving and entitled Chavez Jnr. Whyte's just the latest and certainly won't be the last.

But when people defend the WBC in such circumstances and justify their behaviour as just 'politics' they become part of the problem. It's just a massive turn off (to new fans in particular) to the sport we love.

I don't want to see a boring list of WBC rules listed on a forum with loopholes left, right and centre offering plenty of wriggle room. I want to see the champions take on the best contenders because that's where's the entertainment's at.

I dunno I know his fight with Malik Scott was boring but Malik was on his bicycle most of the fight I thought he beat up David Allen and got a good TKO wasnt spectacular but that guy is pretty durable Whyte couldn't even knock him out and he had just fought him. As far as opponents yeah Ortiz resume is not that great but nobody really wanted to fight him that's why he left goldenboy because he couldn't get any big fights. I'd say Jennings, Thompson, and Kauffman are some decent names on the same level as a Lucas Browne , Dereck Chisora, and Oscar Rivas.

I agree the WBC has done some shady stuff in the past I'm not biased the whole stunt with Maravilla Martinez and Chavez was a good example like you said but I honestly don't think they were giving Wilder protection I think Fury is a much tougher challenge than Whyte he showed it too lol so the WBC wouldn't have allowed for that fight and now Fury is their champ.

I also agree that Whyte would be a good fight against Wilder but I don't get why people say he's that much better I haven't seen much from Dillian Whyte that makes me think of him as a superb boxer I think Wilder has a better jab and would catch him with a right hand because he doesn't use much head or waist movement. He has a good left hook and a decent jab but he has terrible stamina.

[Ray*]

I'm not overly sold on Ortiz to be honest, he's got the fundamentals and reasonable power but he definitely benefits from the 'Cuban Southpaw' stereotype. If he was called Barry and came from Doncaster, England he'd definitely be perceived very differently.

I've seen him fight in the UK twice and he looked awful. His best win is over Jennings and if you look at his amateur career he was by no means a top international. There's a few boxers on Whyte's record that beat Jennings for me and give Ortiz all he can handle too.

The fact that Wilder preferred to face Ortiz over Whyte twice tells you everything. I'm not saying Whyte would have beaten Wilder, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if he got sparked closing the distance but then again it wouldn't surprise me if Wilder got flopped up against the ropes. But the fact remains it would have been a far more credible match up for both Wilder and the WBC.

Not that I'm overly surprised by the We Be Crooks. I remember how they shafted Martinez to the benefit of the undeserving and entitled Chavez Jnr. Whyte's just the latest and certainly won't be the last.

But when people defend the WBC in such circumstances and justify their behaviour as just 'politics' they become part of the problem. It's just a massive turn off (to new fans in particular) to the sport we love.

I don't want to see a boring list of WBC rules listed on a forum with loopholes left, right and centre offering plenty of wriggle room. I want to see the champions take on the best contenders because that's where's the entertainment's at.

You hit the nail on the head with not picking Whyte and the fact that the corruption by the WBC which is so plain to see is endorsed by some on here. If we stick to the facts then Whyte should have fought for the WBC belt as a mandatory by now. If he was signed to PBC and Al Haymon then we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now.

So for me that part is the shadiness that is in boxing, the fact that some don’t see anything wrong or tried not to see anything wrong in it is the saddest bit.

[rckdees]

I said it before I’ll say it again Malignaggi has become a cartoon character. Just like Kellerman he’s become a caricature of himself.....the only name white has on his resume worth mentioning is Joshua and he got knocked out.... his career has consisted of nothing but corrupt officials and excuses....foh

[Ant1979]

I dunno I know his fight with Malik Scott was boring but Malik was on his bicycle most of the fight I thought he beat up David Allen and got a good TKO wasnt spectacular but that guy is pretty durable Whyte couldn't even knock him out and he had just fought him. As far as opponents yeah Ortiz resume is not that great but nobody really wanted to fight him that's why he left goldenboy because he couldn't get any big fights. I'd say Jennings, Thompson, and Kauffman are some decent names on the same level as a Lucas Browne , Dereck Chisora, and Oscar Rivas.

I agree the WBC has done some shady stuff in the past I'm not biased the whole stunt with Maravilla Martinez and Chavez was a good example like you said but I honestly don't think they were giving Wilder protection I think Fury is a much tougher challenge than Whyte he showed it too lol so the WBC wouldn't have allowed for that fight and now Fury is their champ.

I also agree that Whyte would be a good fight against Wilder but I don't get why people say he's that much better I haven't seen much from Dillian Whyte that makes me think of him as a superb boxer I think Wilder has a better jab and would catch him with a right hand because he doesn't use much head or waist movement. He has a good left hook and a decent jab but he has terrible stamina.

Maybe I was a little harsh on Ortiz, but when Hearn signed him to fight in the UK I was genuinely interested in seeing him up close. Scott would have made most boxers look poor that night, I remember hoping that they'd sanction his purse for such a shower of *****.

Wilder vs Whyte would definitely be a fun fight. I think there's room for both type of characters and styles in the HW division. I agree Whyte has little to no head movement but manages to compensate for that by having such a tiny head.

Seriously though, he's never going to be elite. Never going to jab somebody's head off and he's not exactly rapid. His only chance against the likes of Fury would be if Tyson came in out of shape and Whyte went to body hard and early. Or if he managed to open up those nasty cuts. I'm not convinced Fury fights well at all when cut.

But his style is effective, don't think he gives anyone an easy night, unless he walks on to a Wilder backhand. He's a heavy handed brawler/bully type with long leavers, a decent jab and an excellent body attack. But his conditioning recently has left a lot to be desired, making him even more of a plodder/flat-footed.

I've found myself defending him a couple times on this forum and I'm not exactly a fan. It's just that he attracts a lot of hate (bless him) and has been shafted by the WBC. But pointing out the failings of the WBC doesn't make me a fan of Whyte, just a fan of boxing.

[Ant1979]

You hit the nail on the head with not picking Whyte and the fact that the corruption by the WBC which is so plain to see is endorsed by some on here. If we stick to the facts then Whyte should have fought for the WBC belt as a mandatory by now. If he was signed to PBC and Al Haymon then we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now.

So for me that part is the shadiness that is in boxing, the fact that some don’t see anything wrong or tried not to see anything wrong in it is the saddest bit.

Again, I'll never understand how some 'fans' support governing bodies denying genuine fans of some potentially very entertaining match-ups. We all have our favourite fighters but are we really blinded by all the smoke and mirrors? We should want our favourite fighters to fight the best. That's the whole sporting ethos right?

By endorsing the drivel from the likes of the WBC they become part of the problem boxing faces as a sport. Imagine trying to explain the Wilder, Whyte, WBC situation to a new convert? They're just going to switch off and tune into UFC. An inferior product in my humble opinion but much better run and easier to follow.

[Cool Scant]

We getting somewhere and no you are the uneducated one NOT Fat dan, Fat dan cannot teach you reading comprehension.

So then show us the where Whyte ducked that great offer from Team Ortiz for the Secondary mandatory.

Im pretty sure I’ve completed a higher level of education than you.

“The organization ordered a final heavyweight title elimination fight between England's Dillian Whyte (23-1, 17 KOs) and Miami-based Cuban defector Luis "King Kong" Ortiz (28-1, 24 KOs)” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esp...?client=safari

Do you know what what FINAL HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE ELIMINATION MEANS?

Keep using the “second mandatory” phrase as an excuse for Whyte to duck ortiz. Meanwhile “real boxing fans” know that Whyte has an extensive history of ducking final eliminators and title shot 🤦🏽*♂️

[Cool Scant]

You hit the nail on the head with not picking Whyte and the fact that the corruption by the WBC which is so plain to see is endorsed by some on here. If we stick to the facts then Whyte should have fought for the WBC belt as a mandatory by now. If he was signed to PBC and Al Haymon then we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now.

So for me that part is the shadiness that is in boxing, the fact that some don’t see anything wrong or tried not to see anything wrong in it is the saddest bit.

I can copy and paste wbc rules and regulations but you’re so ****** that you probably wouldn’t be able to comprehend what it means. Why should Whyte have fought for the WBC belt as a mandatory by now when he waited two years to participate in a final Eliminator? Whyte didn’t deserve a title shot until he beat Rivas in a final Eliminator. Anything you say that’s contrary to Rivas v Whyte final Eliminator is fake news.

I agree the wbc is corrupt. The fact that they let Whyte duck two final eliminators with ortiz and then let Whyte cherry-pick his own opponent for a final eliminator (Rivas) is truly disgusting

[Cool Scant]

Again you are all bark and no substance. And you know it. Show us where Whyte turned down "Final eliminators" from the WBC. The only one triggered and salty here is you.

You obviously got triggered by my post in page 1, because it made people like you look like idiots with your fake news and backing for a corrupt organisation.

You yourself has admitted that Whyte didn't duck Ortiz, and you are too dumb to even see it. You kept saying Ortiz shouldn't be making offers to Whyte, and Ortiz shouldn't be accepting offers from Whyte.

You even went as far to lie that Whyte offered Ortiz 250K
and you still haven't provided any prove that Whyte ducked the WBC eliminator.

The only prove you got his the Pulev and AJ which had nothing to do with the shady WBC. This is too easy, schooling dumbos like yourselves is easy money.

you’re a real moron. Lying about what I said ain’t gonna work. I never said ortiz shouldnt accept any offers from Whyte. I said ortiz shouldn’t accept Whytes $250K offer to fight in the uk.

You keep crying about providing proof that Whyte ducked to final eliminators. Why? It’s a known fact! No no need to play games with some loser like you who are allergic to facts.

[Ray*]

Im pretty sure I’ve completed a higher level of education than you.

“The organization ordered a final heavyweight title elimination fight between England's Dillian Whyte (23-1, 17 KOs) and Miami-based Cuban defector Luis "King Kong" Ortiz (28-1, 24 KOs)” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esp...?client=safari

Do you know what what FINAL HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE ELIMINATION MEANS?

Keep using the “second mandatory” phrase as an excuse for Whyte to duck ortiz. Meanwhile “real boxing fans” know that Whyte has an extensive history of ducking final eliminators and title shot 🤦🏽*♂️

I can copy and paste wbc rules and regulations but you’re so ****** that you probably wouldn’t be able to comprehend what it means. Why should Whyte have fought for the WBC belt as a mandatory by now when he waited two years to participate in a final Eliminator? Whyte didn’t deserve a title shot until he beat Rivas in a final Eliminator. Anything you say that’s contrary to Rivas v Whyte final Eliminator is fake news.

I agree the wbc is corrupt. The fact that they let Whyte duck two final eliminators with ortiz and then let Whyte cherry-pick his own opponent for a final eliminator (Rivas) is truly disgusting

you’re a real moron. Lying about what I said ain’t gonna work. I never said ortiz shouldnt accept any offers from Whyte. I said ortiz shouldn’t accept Whytes $250K offer to fight in the uk.

You keep crying about providing proof that Whyte ducked to final eliminators. Why? It’s a known fact! No no need to play games with some loser like you who are allergic to facts.

Checkmate!!! You are a real moron. You definitely don't have any education or reading comprehension from the link that you posted. And it took you almost 24 hours to try and find something that would help your fake news Lmaoooooo..Dumbo

Still waiting for the WBC "Final eliminators" that he ducked...