What's the real reason Pacquiao refused Floyd's Random Blood Testing offer in 2009?

[IceTrayDaGang]

It's not hard to understand.

He asked Pacquaio to man up and take the fight, but Pacquaio's team refused to negotiate and instead chose Marquez.

There are entire articles written about it. So which of us isn't being honest? Like I said in my first post, it's you.

so he wasnt damm near begging pac for a fight like you originally stated. so you're not being honest. begging pac for a fight would mean throwing the blood testing out the window because this is what prevented the fight from happening!!

i dont even know why you're here trying to change this? everyone and their mamas knows the fight didnt happen the first time because of floyd. not even sure why you're trying to debate this?

floyd and pac fought, floyd won, take that and run with it. not sure why you're trying to put the blame on manny for the fight not happening the first time around because it will not end up good for you. take the win floyd has over manny and call it a day.

im gonna leave you with this --

let's break it down and see who was doing the ducking and dodging and please try to stick to the main guys being mention here, floyd/manny.

reasons why the fight didnt happen the first time --

manny = no blood testing, want a cut off.

floyd = wont do business with bob arum, manny need to sign with TMT first, manny need to fight bradley again because he loss, manny need to fight marquez again because he loss.

this doesnt sound like a guy damm near begging for a fight?????

[IceTrayDaGang]

What is “that type of testing?” You mean syringes from Mars? the WADA list? Olympian’s don’t provide blood and urine any different than the way other athletes do? Submitting blood and urine is more difficult than calibrating space rockets!

Olympic athletes can be tested at any time — potentially even years in advance of the next competition

was floyd doing this type of testing? lol.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Olympic athletes can be tested at any time — potentially even years in advance of the next competition

was floyd doing this type of testing? lol.

IOC is going off the WADA list. The Vegas commission in 2010 went by no such standard because “advanced” testing wasn’t an industry protocol in boxing. And yes, Floyd knows about random type of testing because he was an Olympian.

You keep owning yourself...

[Ca$ual Fan]

I think options 1, 2 and 4 makes the most sense but I picked 4 because:

2005 - if you drag the Pacquiao that lost to Morales and ask him to enumerate his reasons why he lost, taking blood sample would be in his top 3 excuses. Note that Pac never lost since that time which means that Morales fight was his worst nightmare during that time (now it’s 2nd to the 2012 JMM loss).

The moment Floyd and his team opened up that blood testing proposal, I knew Pac was going to deny that proposal. I was hoping Floyd might concede and let it pass through like how Pac was able to get by Delahoya, Hatton and Cotto negotiations but I understood quickly that it’s not gonna happen cause Floyd, like Pac, was also an A-side and both were stubborn at that time.

This one created so many beliefs and speculations regarding Pacquiao but it’s the belief that taking a blood would weaken him. And it doesn’t actually weaken him, it's more about Superstition and he doesn’t want to revisit his bad experience against Morales.

[travestyny]

so he wasnt damm near begging pac for a fight like you originally stated. so you're not being honest. begging pac for a fight would mean throwing the blood testing out the window because this is what prevented the fight from happening!!

i dont even know why you're here trying to change this? everyone and their mamas knows the fight didnt happen the first time because of floyd. not even sure why you're trying to debate this?

I wasn't even talking about the first time, which by the way Freddie Roach already admit was Pac's side's fault, but good try distorting that

I'm referring to you saying things changed after Pac got knocked out. False. As I showed you above, Mayweather is on record calling for Pacquiao to fight, and Pacquiao's side stated that they would side step it. Them be the facts.

floyd and pac fought, floyd won, take that and run with it. not sure why you're trying to put the blame on manny for the fight not happening the first time around because it will not end up good for you. take the win floyd has over manny and call it a day.

im gonna leave you with this --

let's break it down and see who was doing the ducking and dodging and please try to stick to the main guys being mention here, floyd/manny.

reasons why the fight didnt happen the first time --

manny = no blood testing, want a cut off.

floyd = wont do business with bob arum, manny need to sign with TMT first, manny need to fight bradley again because he loss, manny need to fight marquez again because he loss.

this doesnt sound like a guy damm near begging for a fight?????

You only need to listen to the first few seconds of this.




He's very clear about who's fault it was the fight didn't initially happen.

And again, what did I bring up? Why didn't Pac's side want to negotiate for the fight in 2012?

Well, here you go:

Manny Pacquiao’s promoter said Monday that the Filipino superstar prefers a fourth fight against Juan Manuel Marquez to a super-fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

“That fight [Mayweather] can still be there for us in November [2012],” Bob Arum told The Times.

That position brought a strong reaction from rival promoter and former fighter Oscar De La Hoya, who helps promote Mayweather and said the 42-0 welterweight champion has already reserved May 5 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas for boxing’s dream fight.

“I say to Manny, fighter to fighter, ‘Step it up, tell Arum what you want,’ ” De La Hoya said. “You’re the fighter. You’re a congressman. You call the shots here and decide who you’re going to fight.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-xpm-2011-nov-14-la-sp-1115-pacquiao-marquez-20111115-story.html

Seems very clear, now doesn't it? Like I said, that was before Pacquiao was knocked cold.

[IceTrayDaGang]

IOC is going off the WADA list. The Vegas commission in 2010 went by no such standard because “advanced” testing wasn’t an industry protocol in boxing. And yes, Floyd knows about random type of testing because he was an Olympian.

You keep owning yourself...

i never said floyd didnt. i asked you, was floyd doing olympian type testing. i think reading owns you. lol.

[IceTrayDaGang]

I wasn't even talking about the first time, which by the way Freddie Roach already admit was Pac's side's fault, but good try distorting that

I'm referring to you saying things changed after Pac got knocked out. False. As I showed you above, Mayweather is on record calling for Pacquiao to fight, and Pacquiao's side stated that they would side step it. Them be the facts.




You only need to listen to the first few seconds of this.




He's very clear about who's fault it was the fight didn't initially happen.

And again, what did I bring up? Why didn't Pac's side want to negotiate for the fight in 2012?

Well, here you go:




Seems very clear, now doesn't it? Like I said, that was before Pacquiao was knocked cold.

geezus travs.. i said stick to the guys being mention here floyd/pac...

let's break it down and see who was doing the ducking and dodging and please try to stick to the main guys being mention here, floyd/manny.

i knew you was gonna bring stuff up from roach, arum, etc.. that's why i said stick to the guys being mention here. if you wanna just go off track then i can do that too... look what sr said regarding manny juicing. geezus man, im done here with you.

Actually, Floyd Sr. would love for Pacquiao to be on some type of steroid or HGH when he meets his son in three months. And the reason for that is he's fully aware that there's no drug or supplement available to anyone which helps a fighter take a better punch than he would if his system were free of them. Such a drug or steroid that transforms a fighter into a puncher via a bottle or needle doesn't exist, at least not in 2009. And if you've ever been around fighters who have experimented with them looking for an edge, you'd know they did nothing for them but mess up their body chemistry.

[travestyny]

geezus travs.. i said stick to the guys being mention here floyd/pac...

i knew you was gonna bring stuff up from roach, arum, etc.. that's why i said stick to the guys being mention here. if you wanna just go off track then i can do that too... look what sr said regarding manny juicing. geezus man, im done here with you.

Actually, Floyd Sr. would love for Pacquiao to be on some type of steroid or HGH when he meets his son in three months. And the reason for that is he's fully aware that there's no drug or supplement available to anyone which helps a fighter take a better punch than he would if his system were free of them. Such a drug or steroid that transforms a fighter into a puncher via a bottle or needle doesn't exist, at least not in 2009. And if you've ever been around fighters who have experimented with them looking for an edge, you'd know they did nothing for them but mess up their body chemistry.

What?????

So your defense is that you don't want me to mention that Pacquiao's team directly stated that they don't want the fight?


Do you think Pacquiao negotiates for himself or how exactly do you believe this worked?

He had someone representing him, and that person directly told you they weren't interested in the fight that Mayweather was calling for at that time. It's right there.


What you are trying to hide behind is precisely why ODLH made this statement:

“I say to Manny, fighter to fighter, ‘Step it up, tell Arum what you want,’ ” De La Hoya said. “You’re the fighter. You’re a congressman. You call the shots here and decide who you’re going to fight.”


I think he has a point. Don't you?

[IceTrayDaGang]

What?????

So your defense is that you don't want me to mention that Pacquiao's team directly stated that they don't want the fight?


Do you think Pacquiao negotiates for himself or how exactly do you believe this worked?

He had someone representing him, and that person directly told you they weren't interested in the fight that Mayweather was calling for at that time. It's right there.

this was about floyd/pac. you said floyd was damm near begging pac for a fight. so i said let's break it down between them 2 and see who was ducking and dodging! is that clear enough for you? if you wanna bring up what roach said then i can do the same too about what mayweather sr said.

so sr said in 2009 that he would advise his son not to fight manny. since you wanna bring up roach.

“Lil Floyd would whoop (him), but to tell you the truth, I don’t think he should fight him,” Mayweather Sr. said. “That would be my advice to him.”

[travestyny]

this was about floyd/pac. you said floyd was damm near begging pac for a fight. so i said let's break it down between them 2 and see who was ducking and dodging! is that clear enough for you? if you wanna bring up what roach said then i can do the same too about what mayweather sr said.

so sr said in 2009 that he would advise his son not to fight manny. since you wanna bring up roach.

“Lil Floyd would whoop (him), but to tell you the truth, I don’t think he should fight him,” Mayweather Sr. said. “That would be my advice to him.”

I have no problem with you bringing his father in it. I don't see the point.

His father said he feels Floyd shouldn't fight him.


Freddie Roach said Pac's side was the reason for the fight not happening.


I don't see the issue


You're not playing this like you want to discuss the truth. You're playing this like you're a defense attorney. lol. You're trying to say we can only go by exactly what Pacquaio said.

But didn't Pacquaio always say, "It's up to my promoter, Bob Arum."

So when Bob Arum says they aren't interested in the fight......