Is Floyd the G.O.A.T why or why not?

[MikeyMike100]

He has a good argument for goat depending how you define it. Based on modern day standards he ranks very highly. As far as having the most consistentcy he is the best ever.

As far as having the best peak ability or wins I wouldn't say so.

As far as being the most complete fighter in history, he is up there but I would say Sugar Ray Leonard is more complete than him because of his superior combination punching and finishing abilities.

[Roadblock]

It’s hard to compare fighters of this era to past atg fighters. People say the old timers fought cab drivers etc, but many of them also fought several times a month and hundreds of times in their careers. It’s hard to imagine the divas of today being able to match such a gruelling schedule.

Its easy to fight every month when the comp is very low, its extremely hard to fight 3 times a year when the comp is A grade championship level.

Joe Louis fought a truck load of cans near on monthly so did Ray Robinson, go through their careers and number the A grade guys and all of a sudden their resume drops to the same numbers of modern day greats .


“I wish I could fight ten times a year, once a month would be good. I offered to do a bum a month campaign like Joe Louis – they won’t let me do it,” he added. Tyson Fury.

https://www.***************.net/2019...onth-campaign/

[Real King Kong]

Its easy to fight every month when the comp is very low, its extremely hard to fight 3 times a year when the comp is A grade championship level.

Joe Louis fought a truck load of cans near on monthly so did Ray Robinson, go through their careers and number the A grade guys and all of a sudden their resume drops to the same numbers of modern day greats .


“I wish I could fight ten times a year, once a month would be good. I offered to do a bum a month campaign like Joe Louis – they won’t let me do it,” he added. Tyson Fury.

https://www.***************.net/2019...onth-campaign/

Well who’s to say how many “bums” is equal to one or two “A grade” fighters or even what that is? Most fighters today are not facing 3 A grade opponents per year...if that was the case, there’d be a whole lot less complaining.

[Roadblock]

Well who’s to say how many “bums” is equal to one or two “A grade” fighters or even what that is? Most fighters today are not facing 3 A grade opponents per year...if that was the case, there’d be a whole lot less complaining.

Its the wear and tear and intensity of fighting A grade fighters, when you fight guys levels below youre not even in the same shape its like a sparing session and nowhere near fighting the real top liners, SRR was fighting guys that had 26 losses and 7 wins, 45 losses , 27 losses , go and add up the losses on the resumes of his opponents its way high.

Again its easy to fight lots of fights with guys way below your level, todays top guys could easily fight the numbers the old school fighters had with the same opponents.

When fans stop looking at titles numbers statistics etc and start looking at the athlete as a machine , then level of competition just like a trainer looks at a racehorse, no emotion just pure mechanics then they will start seeing whats real with fighters.

[Real King Kong]

Its the wear and tear and intensity of fighting A grade fighters, when you fight guys levels below youre not even in the same shape its like a sparing session and nowhere near fighting the real top liners, SRR was fighting guys that had 26 losses and 7 wins, 45 losses , 27 losses , go and add up the losses on the resumes of his opponents its way high.

Again its easy to fight lots of fights with guys way below your level, todays top guys could easily fight the numbers the old school fighters had with the same opponents.

When fans stop looking at titles numbers statistics etc and start looking at the athlete as a machine , then level of competition just like a trainer looks at a racehorse, no emotion just pure mechanics then they will start seeing whats real with fighters.

Well who are all these guys today fighting 3 A level opponents per year? There’s plenty of guys fighting opponents levels below them now. These guys might face one top level opponent per year, then it’s a long rest, tuneups etc.

[pasawayako]

boxing legends, trainers and boxing aficionados think that pac is the GOAT.
Floyd mayweather jr himself think that fhe's the GOAT.

That's the difference between them.

[just the facts]

boxing legends, trainers and boxing aficionados think that pac is the GOAT.
Floyd mayweather jr himself think that fhe's the GOAT.

That's the difference between them.

Here we go again, please name one boxing legend, trainer, or boxing aficionado who ever said Pac was the GOAT.

[Roadblock]

Well who are all these guys today fighting 3 A level opponents per year? There’s plenty of guys fighting opponents levels below them now. These guys might face one top level opponent per year, then it’s a long rest, tuneups etc.

How about show me a top liner today fighting guys with 45 losses , the overall quality is better today . Another way of putting it is SRR could not fight and beat 174 guys of the level Mayweather fought or what Manny fought , he be burned out in no time, its all about the level of opponent time after time, how would it go down if Floyd Manny were fighting guys with 45 losses .

A lot of the delay in fights today is promotional reasons.

[Leonbus2]

He's in the top 5. But I don't disagree with him as #1. It's a toss up. Especially with Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Duran and a couple others.

[Real King Kong]

How about show me a top liner today fighting guys with 45 losses , the overall quality is better today . Another way of putting it is SRR could not fight and beat 174 guys of the level Mayweather fought or what Manny fought , he be burned out in no time, its all about the level of opponent time after time, how would it go down if Floyd Manny were fighting guys with 45 losses .

A lot of the delay in fights today is promotional reasons.

It’s all relative to how much these guys fought. How many losses would a guy with a handful of losses in 20-30 fights have if he fought 5x as many fights? I get it, they fought a lot of no hopers, as was part of the landscape of the sport in those days with the sheer amount of active professionals, but most of them also fought all the best fighters around them through multiple weight classes without marinating.