Is Floyd the G.O.A.T why or why not?

[QueensburyRules]

More proficient in more forms than any other boxer who ever lived.

You can take your Sugars and Armstrong and what nots and brag about their resume until the cows come home, you can brag about the weights they covered right there with their resume too. It don't really mean that much in All Time to me.


Resume is something that will fade, no one will care in a hundred years, no one will care in a thousand for damn sure. None of you give any ****s about Klietomachos at all.

Weight? What does Pythagoras of Samos mean to you? How about Tommy Ryan? Hmm....is it exclusively a GOAT marker for modern boxing? Not Queensberry, Tommy did that, but modern? from like the 30s-now? Those are the only guys whose names rest against high rank opposition at multiple weight classes or actual weights?


What I'm trying to say is SRR, SRL, Armstrong, you know, you usual GOAT names, did absolutely nothing original in the sport as a whole but rather something special and original in their era of sport. When times change, so will the fans' interpretation of these men AND their importance to the sport.



Bob Fitzsimmons is the first MW to HW except that was actually really normal in bare knuckle and Bob was a transition figure....so....was it really anything but timing?

Roy Jones Jr is the first, and the only man to weigh at MW, go up to HW and weigh at HW, and be champion. Bob weighed his middleweight weight at heavyweight. Roy actually gained the pounds and was still successful.


I love Bob, but, all time? Bob's just repetition of a thing that happened in boxing repeatedly and consistently from the ancient period through bare knuckle period. Bob is literally one of many, in All Time boxing. Roy is alone, the only man. You can go back 3k years you will not find another MW champion who became HW champion while weighing in at HW instead of weighing their normal MW weight.



Back to Floyd, the first man to show no reliance on any aspect of boxing. He used plenty but relied on nothing.

SRR lost because he was reliant

SRL lost because he was reliant

Armstrong lost because he was reliant

Floyd never lost because Floyd could and did adapt to any situation. Floyd can box or punch or mix between them. Floyd has chin and head movement. Floyd can dance and plant. Traps? He'll set you up while you think you are setting him up.

What beats Floyd? I dunno, nor do you. That would be conjecture, and in this case, wrong to do. It's denial of the one thing Floyd actually relied on; being plastic. Being unreliant is what he relied on his entire career. Take away Wilder's right hand and what have you got? Take away Floyd's and he's still Floyd. Nonreliant. He proved it. Slow him down and make him old? Still Floyd, still beating young men on their rise up to be the next p4p king. Unlike SRR where taking away his power would be difficult but if you could it'd be effective, taking away Floyd's power is ineffective and does little to change the course of his fights. Now he just doesn't hit you as hard, but, he's still hitting you, and often. Damn hard nut to crack which is why it never happened.








The most prepared fighter of all time, by a ****load.





Dig this, you want to know how I know Floyd would beat SRR if they shared a time? SRR is willing to show up drunk, Floyd isn't. Most prepared fighter of all time. Not just repeating an award that has happened a bunch of times, a real all time record for the gods. Floyd would definitely get Sugar on the bottle.



If you like Sugars or Henry, that's cool, this isn't a hit piece, I wouldn't ever attack you for ranking them so highly or argue in Floyd's favor, but for me, Floyd and honestly it isn't even that hard for me to say that.


Do you really think Wlad's the only man to reign a decade over a ****show? He's just repetition promoted like it isn't.

Y'all really believe Manny covered the most weight? Children used to box.

Marciano's the only unbeaten HW champion, except for the ten others that existed before him.


Floyd Mayweather, most prepared fighter to ever fight, alone, singular, there is only him.

- -First TBA champ, first TUE champ, the only MGM TBE champ, first champ needing 1500 lbs of beefsters to protect his candy.

He swim across de Nile yet?

[strykr619]

Pls give valid reasons for your opinions.

If him being undefeated is your basis then Dempsey's streak is still more impressive because he did it at HW.


If your arguing social impact then Ali , Joe Lewis, SRR and Pacquiao dwarfs him.


Now if you base it off of income then yes Mayweather by far is the GOAT, he made the most money out of any PRIZE FIGHTER in history (even with inflation taken into account).

[Marchegiano]

For me there is no GOAT in boxing (and any other sport) ,you bring great point about Floyd allways being fit and prepared ,Many great athletes were drinking and living unhealthy in the past (there are some now a day ,but you need to be much more healthy to compete now )

Then you talk about SRR ,but we need to notice that when you fight 2 time a year you can prepere for your opponent ,study him , have great training camp ,now if you fight 10 times a year or more , often with same boxers which get to know you ,(its like playing a team game ,some dominant teams often play very close games with domestic rival despite being much better team in general) , quality of fights suffer ,you are getting hit more ,and as i said fighting same people many times results in bigger chance of loss.


IMO we cant compare they'r careers and be fair for many reasons.

This is a good ass post, I don't disagree.

[The D3vil]

No way.

Never fought outside of America.

Never fought outside of Las Vegas (his adopted hometown) for the last decade.

Never beat an ATG in their primes.

Had zero desire to really push himself the way guys like ALi, Leonard, or Robinson did.

Yeah, he was well prepared and self-disciplined, but that could only take you so far, as we saw in the first Castillo fight in which almost everyone believes should've been a loss.

[BodyBagz]

GOHE (of his era)

[BodyBagz]

No way.

Never fought outside of America.

Never fought outside of Las Vegas (his adopted hometown) for the last decade.

Never beat an ATG in their primes.

Had zero desire to really push himself the way guys like ALi, Leonard, or Robinson did.

Yeah, he was well prepared and self-disciplined, but that could only take you so far, as we saw in the first Castillo fight in which almost everyone believes should've been a loss.

Why does it matter where a fight takes place ?
I know I wouldn't want to have my money taxed to hell and back by fighting in other countries.

Also, it's a perk. When one becomes the boss, you tend to not want to have any hassles. Traveling can be a bother.

As for resumes, who has a better one during his time ?

Ali stayed in one div
SRL was useless above WW
SRR is mostly folklore. No one looks at his resume.

TBF, May should be given more credit for fighting with fuct up hands.

[The D3vil]

Why does it matter where a fight takes place ?
I know I wouldn't want to have my money taxed to hell and back by fighting in other countries.

Also, it's a perk. When one becomes the boss, you tend to not want to have any hassles. Traveling can be a bother.

As for resumes, who has a better one during his time ?

Ali stayed in one div
SRL was useless above WW
SRR is mostly folklore. No one looks at his resume.

TBF, May should be given more credit for fighting with fuct up hands.

Wow, this must be the most ignorance laden post I've ever seen on NSB, and I used to not have Big Stomps on ignore.

What difference does it make where a fight take place?

Uh, what difference does it make where an NBA,NFL, MLB, or soccer game take place?

There's a such thing as "home cooking", you never heard of that? Referees, crowds, and your ability to prepare & focus are tested by away games/fights.

That's why the home team usually wins in every sport.

And Ali conqured the most important division, beat 4 Olympic Gold medalists and countless HOFs in his division, even some like Foreman when he was out of his prime.

And the most ignorant part.

Sugar Ray Robinson was useless above welterweight?

Are you high on crack?

He's considered by many to be the GOAT middleweight as well.

He beat Jake Lamotta, a HOF in his first MW fight and then beat him 4 other times as well.

HE beat Holly Mims, Randy Turpin, Bobo Olsen, Rocky Graziano and other HOFs.

Retired for 3 years and came back and won the MW title again. Fighting sometimes 10 times in a year.

And guy, there's no such thing as being a GOAT and not wanting a hassle. It's sports, athletes are judged by how they handle hassles, not avoid hassles.

Please tell me you're under 30.

That's the only way your post makes sense.

[BodyBagz]

[QUOTE=The D3vil;20561262]Wow, this must be the most ignorance laden post I've ever seen on NSB, and I used to not have Big Stomps on ignore.

What difference does it make where a fight take place?
/QUOTE]

Look at dumbass

The rules are the same, yes ?!?!?

The rest was unreadable.....

[hugh grant]

Floyd himself don't consider himself the goat and he knows people don't think he is also. Ask floyd himself how he concluded that?

[10,000 Days]

More proficient in more forms than any other boxer who ever lived.

You can take your Sugars and Armstrong and what nots and brag about their resume until the cows come home, you can brag about the weights they covered right there with their resume too. It don't really mean that much in All Time to me.


Resume is something that will fade, no one will care in a hundred years, no one will care in a thousand for damn sure. None of you give any ****s about Klietomachos at all.

Weight? What does Pythagoras of Samos mean to you? How about Tommy Ryan? Hmm....is it exclusively a GOAT marker for modern boxing? Not Queensberry, Tommy did that, but modern? from like the 30s-now? Those are the only guys whose names rest against high rank opposition at multiple weight classes or actual weights?


What I'm trying to say is SRR, SRL, Armstrong, you know, you usual GOAT names, did absolutely nothing original in the sport as a whole but rather something special and original in their era of sport. When times change, so will the fans' interpretation of these men AND their importance to the sport.



Bob Fitzsimmons is the first MW to HW except that was actually really normal in bare knuckle and Bob was a transition figure....so....was it really anything but timing?

Roy Jones Jr is the first, and the only man to weigh at MW, go up to HW and weigh at HW, and be champion. Bob weighed his middleweight weight at heavyweight. Roy actually gained the pounds and was still successful.


I love Bob, but, all time? Bob's just repetition of a thing that happened in boxing repeatedly and consistently from the ancient period through bare knuckle period. Bob is literally one of many, in All Time boxing. Roy is alone, the only man. You can go back 3k years you will not find another MW champion who became HW champion while weighing in at HW instead of weighing their normal MW weight.



Back to Floyd, the first man to show no reliance on any aspect of boxing. He used plenty but relied on nothing.

SRR lost because he was reliant

SRL lost because he was reliant

Armstrong lost because he was reliant

Floyd never lost because Floyd could and did adapt to any situation. Floyd can box or punch or mix between them. Floyd has chin and head movement. Floyd can dance and plant. Traps? He'll set you up while you think you are setting him up.

What beats Floyd? I dunno, nor do you. That would be conjecture, and in this case, wrong to do. It's denial of the one thing Floyd actually relied on; being plastic. Being unreliant is what he relied on his entire career. Take away Wilder's right hand and what have you got? Take away Floyd's and he's still Floyd. Nonreliant. He proved it. Slow him down and make him old? Still Floyd, still beating young men on their rise up to be the next p4p king. Unlike SRR where taking away his power would be difficult but if you could it'd be effective, taking away Floyd's power is ineffective and does little to change the course of his fights. Now he just doesn't hit you as hard, but, he's still hitting you, and often. Damn hard nut to crack which is why it never happened.

Extremely pretentious post... lol.

"What I'm trying to say is SRR, SRL, Armstrong, you know, you usual GOAT names, did absolutely nothing original in the sport as a whole" - Armstrong is literally known for being the only ever simultaneous champion in 3 weight classes. Robinson is the first and only 5 time middleweight champion.

"Roy Jones Jr is the first, and the only man to weigh at MW, go up to HW and weigh at HW, and be champion." Yeah, except Ezzard Charles did that.

"SRR lost because he was reliant, SRL lost because he was reliant, Armstrong lost because he was reliant..."

- Floyd was extremely reliant lol. He dictated when and who he fought for the latter part of his career. He was allowed to succeed in an era where there are more weight classes, more belts, with a much lower activity level of the past eras. Floyd never had to fight in 104 degree heat going into the 14th round like SRR. Floyd wouldn't be nearly as successful if had fought 4+ times a year, every year like Armstrong.

"Floyd never lost because Floyd could and did adapt to any situation." No. Floyd never lost because that "0" was his biggest marketing tool. And so he carefully managed his career. It's really not that deep.

"Floyd can box or punch or mix between them." Floyd is an out-fighter first and foremost. He's really not that in the same mold as SRR/SRL who could do both for an entirety of a fight against ATG competition.