Is Floyd the G.O.A.T why or why not?

[ShoulderRoll]

No.

Because Sugar Ray Robinson, that's why.

[Real King Kong]

It’s hard to compare fighters of this era to past atg fighters. People say the old timers fought cab drivers etc, but many of them also fought several times a month and hundreds of times in their careers. It’s hard to imagine the divas of today being able to match such a gruelling schedule.

[Roadblock]

Floyd knows people don't think he's the best ever. Floyd s knows he's not got the best resume ever, but he believes he's got the best defence ever or even skills.
Someone should start a thread about how do people think Floyd feels about knowing people dont think he's the best ever! Does he lose sleep over it? To what level does it bother him that most don't think he's as great as pac?
I don't start threads usually I don't like spotlight

There is so much more to this that you pay no attention or even acknowledge, he was more than just a boxer he became a brand its no small achievement, the boxing is one part the self promotion and selling it was never done before on this level from a boxer .

[BodyBagz]

How can there logically be a GOAT when no boxer has ever fought every best fighter that ever was and never losing ?

[Marchegiano]

Extremely pretentious post... lol.

"What I'm trying to say is SRR, SRL, Armstrong, you know, you usual GOAT names, did absolutely nothing original in the sport as a whole" - Armstrong is literally known for being the only ever simultaneous champion in 3 weight classes. Robinson is the first and only 5 time middleweight champion.

"Roy Jones Jr is the first, and the only man to weigh at MW, go up to HW and weigh at HW, and be champion." Yeah, except Ezzard Charles did that.

"SRR lost because he was reliant, SRL lost because he was reliant, Armstrong lost because he was reliant..."

- Floyd was extremely reliant lol. He dictated when and who he fought for the latter part of his career. He was allowed to succeed in an era where there are more weight classes, more belts, with a much lower activity level of the past eras. Floyd never had to fight in 104 degree heat going into the 14th round like SRR. Floyd wouldn't be nearly as successful if had fought 4+ times a year, every year like Armstrong.

"Floyd never lost because Floyd could and did adapt to any situation." No. Floyd never lost because that "0" was his biggest marketing tool. And so he carefully managed his career. It's really not that deep.

"Floyd can box or punch or mix between them." Floyd is an out-fighter first and foremost. He's really not that in the same mold as SRR/SRL who could do both for an entirety of a fight against ATG competition.

I wrote this a while ago and I'm not sure if I was ****ing with folks or not. Floyd's a troll's subject these days bud.

That said, what's a record if it only exists in a rule set?

Marciano's the only unbeaten HW champion...that's what people say. They don't say Marciano is the only unbeaten gloved champion. Which is the truth. There's like ten or so unbeaten HW champions from LPRR.

Armstrong being known as the only simultaneous champion is true from 686BC to the present? Or it's true from 1888 to the present?

On Roy, correct me if I am wrong, Ezzard was never champion at MW. If we're just including guys who gained weight over their careers I believe Charles' main rival Walcott also started at MW didn't he? Those guys didn't become champion at MW, they just started there while they gained weight and became champion. Ezzard's a LHW and HW champion, he's missing a title to match Roy. You should respect the sole achievement given no one else in the full 3k years history of boxing in any form has ever done it.

To the rest, completely disregards the entire evolution of surface level fighting strategy let alone adjustment st****. PBF didn't fight like Money and Money never walked anyone down like TBE did McNugget. Then even within these named eras of May you have subtle changes. Maidana I is different from Maidana II because Money adjusted. You can tell me but Vagas doe, but gloves doe, but, he whipped that boy all over that ring doe. His fights are not close enough, and his adjustments certainly are not close enough, to cry over agreed before the fight equipment.

Basically like telling me there's no Marcian 2.0 because Rock had horsehair gloves and we don't really use those anymore. No bud, Larry lost because 49 is a statistically hard and rare achievement. There's literally only 2 in the entire history of boxing in any division. Everyone else has losses, draws, were not champions, or fought less fights. The BK HW champions I mentioned prior are lucky to be 10-0 when they retire.

[ShaneMosleySr]

No because Joe Louis existed. He defended his heavyweight title 26 consecutive times without losing and reigned as heavyweight champion for a decade and a half.

Since all I have to do is prove one person to be better than Mayweather, I’ll stop right there.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Definitely not the GOAT in my opinion but he’s worthy of being in the GOAT conversation depending on criteria.

He’s a solid top 10 ATG IMO, based on his consistency of high level performance but he never reached the heights that other greats reached IMO.

[10,000 Days]

I wrote this a while ago and I'm not sure if I was ****ing with folks or not. Floyd's a troll's subject these days bud.

I see, something did feel off lol.

That said, what's a record if it only exists in a rule set? Marciano's the only unbeaten HW champion...that's what people say. They don't say Marciano is the only unbeaten gloved champion. Which is the truth. There's like ten or so unbeaten HW champions from LPRR. Armstrong being known as the only simultaneous champion is true from 686BC to the present? Or it's true from 1888 to the present?

I'm not sure what LPRR means, but generally when people talk about boxing they're not taking into account the entirety of human history. So yeah, late 19th century, marquess of queensberry rules and onward.

On Roy, correct me if I am wrong, Ezzard was never champion at MW. If we're just including guys who gained weight over their careers I believe Charles' main rival Walcott also started at MW didn't he? Those guys didn't become champion at MW, they just started there while they gained weight and became champion. Ezzard's a LHW and HW champion, he's missing a title to match Roy. You should respect the sole achievement given no one else in the full 3k years history of boxing in any form has ever done it.

Yes, this is true. Ezzard was never given a title shot at middleweight despite beating Charley Burley there. He was actually never given a title shot at light heavyweight either. Though I have him as the best light heavyweight ever ahead of Archie Moore. Even still, Ezzard is a guy rarely talked about as being the GOAT despite a tremendous resume across 3 traditional weight classes. Let us not forget that when Charles won his title at heavy he was UNDISPUTED champion, unlike Roy, who only won a piece of the title.

To the rest, completely disregards the entire evolution of surface level fighting strategy let alone adjustment st****. PBF didn't fight like Money and Money never walked anyone down like TBE did McNugget. Then even within these named eras of May you have subtle changes. Maidana I is different from Maidana II because Money adjusted. You can tell me but Vagas doe, but gloves doe, but, he whipped that boy all over that ring doe. His fights are not close enough, and his adjustments certainly are not close enough, to cry over agreed before the fight equipment.

Floyd is a great adjuster for sure.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Crack Family Floydy ain't got the spelling to realize goat ain't the same as GOAT.

[MikeyMike100]

It’s hard to compare fighters of this era to past atg fighters. People say the old timers fought cab drivers etc, but many of them also fought several times a month and hundreds of times in their careers. It’s hard to imagine the divas of today being able to match such a gruelling schedule.

Exactly. It works both ways when you compare the old era to the new era