Better resume Mike Tyson or Wladimir Klitschko?

[LacedUp]

*michael not Leon

You're wrong about those two fights. Because of what they achieved before, and in Holmes case, even after. When I initially saw the thread, I thought it was pretty close, but having actually gone into it a bit more Tyson absolutely has the better resume. He doesnt enough credit for some of those guys, and I think Wlad gets too much credit because their are more younger fans here. Guys like Tucker, and Tubbs would probably beat Wlad's best wins. Those guys had pedigree, were standout amateurs and good skilled pro's.

People sleep on some of Tysons wins. I was guilty of it in the past too. If you are comparing longevity and overall greatness, different question. But as far as names...100% its Tyson

Why is it that Larry Holmes says he was retired, was out of shape and only took the fight for money, yet people on boxingscene says Tyson beat a great fighter

hilarious.

[LacedUp]

Lol yeah, that's exactly why they had fought similar opponents and Tyson got himself into a position a fight Lewis right?

How did W.Klitschko do against Lennox? Oh wait he busy getting knocked out by Sanders when Lewis was around.

Got himself into a position

Hilarious rewriting of history.

[LacedUp]

Foreman defended undisputed successfully, twice. Lennox never did.

on a technicality.

He defended the actual championship. Not his fault the WBA was taken away from him.

[techliam]

Tyson was undisputed, Wladimir wasn't. Mike had mandatories too . He had all 3 belts( wbo belt was non existant til around the time Mike beat Spinks, and up until 2002ish the other major sanctioning bodies would make you drop the wbo belt if you wanted to fight for their strap....they didn't recognize the wbo at all). Honestly both their resumes are so so from an ATG standpoint. It depends what ur criteria consists of when ranking the two. Mike had 2 hof scalps in Spinks and Holmes ( one being a past prime ATG ) both being former lineal Champs , wlad beat 0 hof entrants , and 0 ATG . He beat one former lineal champion in hasim rahman .

I'd say Mike Tyson had the better resume . If you wanna break it down further into belt holders tyson beat 8 , Wladimir beat 7( wlad should be 5 tho as I counted the wba regular belt for haye and povetkin [there was only one wba belt when tyson was active, and I'm not counting interim titles either ]) . Really all wlad has going for him is his 20 title defenses or whatever the number is . Its def Mike hands down . And iam not a big tyson fan . There is no bias here , just facts

Haye was the sole WBA champion, not the regular champion like Povetkin. There’s only a regular champion when there’s a super champion

[champion4ever]

Wladimir Klitschko also lost to two potential hall of famers in AJ and Fury

Does he get credit for that?



But one thing you can't take away from Klitschko is that he fought everyone in his era that mattered at the best time for the opponent.

The same cannot be said for Tyson, for various reasons.

Yes, that's right; You said the key word potential. However, neither are HOFers at the current moment now but the ones I mentioned are. Which makes a huge difference.

However, I will concede that both men were byproducts of their different eras and times they were fighting in. For instance, Mike Tyson couldn't help that he just so happened to have fought in one of the toughest and more competitive eras in boxing history than Wladimir Klitschko.

No more than one can blame Wladimir Klitschko for fighting in one of the weaker if not the weakest heavyweight boxing divisions in history.

[Marchegiano]

on a technicality.

He defended the actual championship. Not his fault the WBA was taken away from him.

What's the excuse for not bothering to even try to be undisputed prior the last 1/8th of his career?

Not his fault for not fighting his mandatory?

The mandatory to Lewis-Holyfield winner was Ruiz. He was higher ranked than Grant and already had secured the mandatory position in contract for Lewis-Holyfield. Lewis won, Lewis took the contract to court, the judge ruled in favor of Ruiz, Lewis refuse to fight Ruiz because Grant brought more ass in seats with him, Lewis got stripped....it is his fault.

How is it not his fault? He took the money fight over the undisputed crown.

This is why the WBA created the Super. It's so that when the champion does some prick **** like fight a guy who brings him money rather than the guy the WBA already contracted into mando position the WBA doesn't have to strip the super for them to legally appease a "title" fight.

The WBA wasn't being unfair to Lewis, Lewis was being unfair to the WBA. To make the undisputed bout the sanctioning body mandatories had to be agreed to by the bodies. Ruiz was not yet fought so in order to get Lewis in the undisputed match the WBA made a deal with Ruiz, Holy, and Lewis. The undisputed champion's first defense is Ruiz before the undisputed champion is even crowned and Lennox Lewis knew that going in so how the damn hell is it not his fault?

[DreamFighter]

Why is it that Larry Holmes says he was retired, was out of shape and only took the fight for money, yet people on boxingscene says Tyson beat a great fighter

hilarious.

almost as hilarious as holmes beating one of your wladdies best wins in 1992. 4 years after tyson...only Wladdie only faced that guy ray mercer, 10 years after his prime.

not 2 years after in the case of holmes/tyson. 10 years. a multiple of 5 times.

10 year hole in your argument.

every point you make, you dig a fresh hole for yourself 5 times bigger.

[DreamFighter]

Got himself into a position

Hilarious rewriting of history.

please point out how you think wlad being knocked out by sanders when lewis was around, is revision of history.

[KingOfGlory]

No more than one can blame Wladimir Klitschko for fighting in one of the weaker if not the weakest heavyweight boxing divisions in history.

Isn't it funny how the heavyweight division became weak once the Soviet nations were allowed to compete and American fighters weren't on top anymore?

Was the era of post jail Ali, half blind Frazier, and green Foreman another one of these conveniently "strong" eras?

[champion4ever]

Isn't it funny how the heavyweight division became weak once the Soviet nations were allowed to compete and American fighters weren't on top anymore?

Was the era of post jail Ali, half blind Frazier, and green Foreman another one of these conveniently "strong" eras?

Alright! I get it! I can see that you wanna make this about the skin game. Maybe or perhaps those fighters share your common skin tone. However, this has nothing to do with the skin game fella. We are talking about facts, proof and history here.

Until you can provide me with a list of achievements that Wladimir's opponent's have achieved as opposed to the opponents that Iron Mike's opponent's have achieved then there is really no argument.

You cannot provide one name on Klitschko's resume that was as good as Larry Holmes.