Better resume Mike Tyson or Wladimir Klitschko?

[NORMNEALON]

Haye was the sole WBA champion, not the regular champion like Povetkin. There’s only a regular champion when there’s a super champion

thats right , I forgot they stripped Chagaev before he fought wlad because he owed Valuev a rematch lol what a joke that was . Either way I counted haye there as a champ , even tho wlad should have already been super champ by then .....only in boxing hey !?

[Double]

Tyson have better losses.

Tyson's losses were to ATG's

[LacedUp]

He was as inactive as Klitschko when he lost to Joshua. I consider both very good wins. Holmes would say that, as it serves his purpose of justifying a one sided loss. Was he in or near his prime? No. But he wasnt shot, and still had more in the tank than many would have you believe, as proven by his win over Mercer and performance against Holyfield.

The quick manor in which Tyson got some of his wins, undermined those wins imo. Had Holmes never fought again like Spinks people would say he was shot and I dont think anyone would argue. But the reality was, that Tyson was a force of nature at his best, and if you didnt have enough chin, and toughness you were getting stopped and fast, even if you were an ATG.

I believe that's what happened to Spinks and Holmes.

I genuinely believe if you had put that Spinks or that Holmes vs Haye or Povetkin, the former would win.

Tyson has 4 or 5 guys on his resume that are at or above those guys.

Complete lie.

Holmes had mentally and physically retired and came off two losses.

He was literally on the couch.

Klitschko was training for a rematch against Tyson Fury, and instead ended up fighting AJ.

[LacedUp]

please point out how you think wlad being knocked out by sanders when lewis was around, is revision of history.

I don't. Horrible embarrassing loss against a journeyman.

The comment about Mike "working himself into a position" though was hilarious and clearly said by someone who wasn't around.

I was around in the 90s.

[LacedUp]

almost as hilarious as holmes beating one of your wladdies best wins in 1992. 4 years after tyson...only Wladdie only faced that guy ray mercer, 10 years after his prime.

not 2 years after in the case of holmes/tyson. 10 years. a multiple of 5 times.

10 year hole in your argument.

every point you make, you dig a fresh hole for yourself 5 times bigger.

The fact that you think I'm a Wlad fan says it all.

You have no idea what you're talking about kid.

[LacedUp]

What's the excuse for not bothering to even try to be undisputed prior the last 1/8th of his career?

Not his fault for not fighting his mandatory?

The mandatory to Lewis-Holyfield winner was Ruiz. He was higher ranked than Grant and already had secured the mandatory position in contract for Lewis-Holyfield. Lewis won, Lewis took the contract to court, the judge ruled in favor of Ruiz, Lewis refuse to fight Ruiz because Grant brought more ass in seats with him, Lewis got stripped....it is his fault.

How is it not his fault? He took the money fight over the undisputed crown.

This is why the WBA created the Super. It's so that when the champion does some prick **** like fight a guy who brings him money rather than the guy the WBA already contracted into mando position the WBA doesn't have to strip the super for them to legally appease a "title" fight.

The WBA wasn't being unfair to Lewis, Lewis was being unfair to the WBA. To make the undisputed bout the sanctioning body mandatories had to be agreed to by the bodies. Ruiz was not yet fought so in order to get Lewis in the undisputed match the WBA made a deal with Ruiz, Holy, and Lewis. The undisputed champion's first defense is Ruiz before the undisputed champion is even crowned and Lennox Lewis knew that going in so how the damn hell is it not his fault?

Wait wait wait. This is complete bollocks.

Lewis had signed to fight the guy the fans wanted him to see: Michael Grant AND had approval from the WBA.

The snake Don King sued WBA, saying Ruiz needed a shot. Meanwhile, David Tua had a mandatory shot with the IBF.

WBA agreed to sanction the Grant fight with the caveat that the winner fights Ruiz within 6 months or something like that. David Tua was trying to get Lewis stripped in the meantime.

Lewis ended up fighting the #1 guy, not the boring man (to the fans, TV networks and everyone's pleasure).

To think that can come back and haunt him from a guy on the internet 20 years later is hilarious and embarrassing (for you).

[LacedUp]

Isn't it funny how the heavyweight division became weak once the Soviet nations were allowed to compete and American fighters weren't on top anymore?

Was the era of post jail Ali, half blind Frazier, and green Foreman another one of these conveniently "strong" eras?

I see who we have here.

There's no racism here.

Blocked.

[LacedUp]

Tyson's losses were to ATG's

Two of his losses were to ATGs.

The other three were to journeymen.

Pretty similar to klitschko one could say.

[DreamFighter]

Two of his losses were to ATGs.

The other three were to journeymen.

Pretty similar to klitschko one could say.

wlads prime losses are the same as career enders?

you can say it - if you said, it you'd be a liar.

again, lacedup.

[DreamFighter]

I don't. Horrible embarrassing loss against a journeyman.

The comment about Mike "working himself into a position" though was hilarious and clearly said by someone who wasn't around.

I was around in the 90s.

a round what?

a round fat liar, trying to reverse facts. Again! Poor show.