Did anyone ever dominate Juan Manuel Marquez like Floyd did?

[DuckAdonis]

If the weight was such a big factor you should be able to point out moments of the fight where it gave Floyd an advantage.

I didn't say it was a big factor, I said it was an unnecessary unfair advantage. If it didn't matter then why did Floyd miss weight? That's what you should ask yourself. I like Floyd, but you're just a fanboy. That's the difference

[ShoulderRoll]

I didn't say it was a big factor, I said it was an unnecessary unfair advantage. If it didn't matter then why did Floyd miss weight? That's what you should ask yourself. I like Floyd, but you're just a fanboy. That's the difference

What unfair advantage did it give Floyd in the fight?

You can't answer that. Nobody seems able to answer it.

That's because weight had zero effect in this fight.

[DuckAdonis]

What unfair advantage did it give Floyd in the fight?

You can't answer that. Nobody seems able to answer it.

That's because weight had zero effect in this fight.

There's no way of knowing that because we didn't see the fight like that. We only saw the fight where Floyd had a weight advantage. You can't answer why Floyd missed weight if he's such a disciplined fighter that doesn't even belong at 147 (his words). You can't explain that. Why did he miss weight and bring Marquez up 2 divisions if it gave him no advantage?

[ShoulderRoll]

There's no way of knowing that because we didn't see the fight like that. We only saw the fight where Floyd had a weight advantage. You can't answer why Floyd missed weight if he's such a disciplined fighter that doesn't even belong at 147 (his words). You can't explain that. Why did he miss weight and bring Marquez up 2 divisions if it gave him no advantage?

Floyd was coming off a long layoff so he probably misjudged what it would take to make the weight cut.

You saw the fight that actually happened. In that fight did weight play any part in the result? Yes or no? Use your boxing eye if you have one, just answer the question and give evidence to support your point.

It shouldn't be that hard. Use logical thinking like a man. Not emotional arguing like a woman.

[DuckAdonis]

Floyd was coming off a long layoff so he probably misjudged what it would take to make the weight cut.

You saw the fight that actually happened. In that fight did weight play any part in the result? Yes or no? Use your boxing eye if you have one, just answer the question and give evidence to support your point.

It shouldn't be that hard. Use logical thinking like a man. Not emotional arguing like a woman.

I'm not emotionally involved. You are because you're a fanboy of the man.
I like both fighters. I think if Marquez didn't move up 2 weight divisions he would be considerably faster at the time. Which would have made it more difficult for Floyd to be as defensively great. Bottom line is a more competitive fight. But a change in the result? No. You need to learn how to behave like a regular fan, not defending a fighter to the grave like an emotional wifey. Calm yo ****

[Carpe Diem]

If Floyd would've come in at the same weight as JMM on fight night, like Pacquiao did, JMM would've flattened Mayweather just like he did to Pacquiao.

Being heavier helps take punches.

JMM caught Mayweather with a few punches that would have had any 147 pounder shaking on the floor and hospitalized. Instead the punches just slightly caught the giant Floyd's attention and had him act just a little bit more aware.

I bet you put that Floyd in vs the 160 pound version of Armstrong, some one his own size, Armstrong would've "strong-armed him" and bulldozed the little fraud in like 6 rounds.

Brilliant.. Lol

[djtmal]

Marquez: Memo Would Have Helped With Mayweather Fight

By Miguel Rivera Published On Sat Dec 22, 2012, 05:02 AM EST
By Miguel Rivera and Rene Umanzor

When Juan Manuel Marquez moved up to the welterweight division in 2009 to challenge Floyd Mayweather Jr., he claims that he didn't train properly and put on the "wrong kind of weight" and it made him slow, sluggish and the power wasn't there. He weighed in at 142-pounds, but his body and power wasn't as impressive as it appeared for his last two stints at 147.

Prior to last year's third meeting with Manny Pacquiao, Marquez started working with conditioning coach Angel "Memo" Heredia. Marquez, also coming in at 142 for that match, looked stronger and handled the weight a lot better. For the fourth meeting with Pacquiao, on December 8th, he looked to be in even better shape with a ripped and muscular 143-pound body. He used that power to knock Pacquiao down in the third and scored a sensational one-punch knockout in the sixth round.

With Memo by his side, he says the Mayweather fight would have been very different.

"Things would have been very different. I wasn't doing the right things [in training]. [Memo] has helped me a lot and I'm doing a lot of different things that I was never doing before. We worked very, very hard. I think so, yes, things would have been very different," Marquez said.

[hugh grant]

Floyd was coming off a long layoff so he probably misjudged what it would take to make the weight cut.

You saw the fight that actually happened. In that fight did weight play any part in the result? Yes or no? Use your boxing eye if you have one, just answer the question and give evidence to support your point.

It shouldn't be that hard. Use logical thinking like a man. Not emotional arguing like a woman.

Why do you Floyd fans boast so much, showing off just because it's one common opponent with pac that Floyd did better, albeit cheating scales. And only 1 win btw, not 3 wins if not error in scorecard like pac.

Nobody beat Hatton so conclusively also. In boxing history when has someone stepped up 6 divisions and flattened the strongest in that division in 2 rounds? Unheard of. Nobody beat dlh like Pac also. Nobody beat cott o like that also without wraps. Why shouldn't Floyd beat jmm like no other, considering jmm didn't usually or ever fight opponents so much bigger than himself!
But you won't see me starting no thread. You gloater, you boaster, you show off

[Carpe Diem]

Those 2 lbs doe.

^^This.

Floyd bullied him by using that Shawn Porter wrestling/mauling fighting style to win the fight. If it had been a chess fight, JMM would’ve knocked him the **** out.

[ShoulderRoll]

I'm not emotionally involved. You are because you're a fanboy of the man.
I like both fighters. I think if Marquez didn't move up 2 weight divisions he would be considerably faster at the time. Which would have made it more difficult for Floyd to be as defensively great. Bottom line is a more competitive fight. But a change in the result? No. You need to learn how to behave like a regular fan, not defending a fighter to the grave like an emotional wifey. Calm yo ****

So Marquez was slow because he had to move up two weight divisions? Ok.

That has nothing to do with Floyd missing the weight, though.

And Marquez fought Pacquiao in that same division in two fights and had no trouble with speed at all.

Makes you think.