Why do people rate Mayweather higher than Pac when he never challenge himself at 160?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

dude...marquez is not a middleweight....


his best years were at featherweight in the early to mid 2000s.....not as a lightweight in his mid 30s....when he was younger he had faster feet and was harder to hit than at 135


Kelly was past prime and so was tapia who was a true bantamweight trying to make money


to be honest i dont think you know when a fighters prime is


Barrera was a great fighter but was not primed



Hell, Hopkins wasnt prime....what 36 year old is in their prime....Hopkins was at his best and most brutal in the 90s when he was fighing guys like echols....trinidad was simply his biggest win.....hopkins prime was from like 95-99 not his mid friggin 30s bro go watch the fights....he used skills to prolong his career

I don’t think you understand when a fighters prime is. There’s a difference between a fighters prime and your athletic prime. B-Hop was a FAR BETTER fighter in 2001. Compared to 95. C’mon man.

Marquez was much better fighter in 2006 than he was in the early 2000’s. You do realise Marquez wasn’t even a world champion until 2003.

I actually think you’re a good poster bro but you’re way off on this one.

Barrera, Marquez, Cotto and Bradley were all in the prime of their careers when Pac beat them. There’s no doubt about it.

[hugh grant]

I don’t think you understand when a fighters prime is. There’s a difference between a fighters prime and your athletic prime. B-Hop was a FAR BETTER fighter in 2001. Compared to 95. C’mon man.

Marquez was much better fighter in 2006 than he was in the early 2000’s. You do realise Marquez wasn’t even a world champion until 2003.

I actually think you’re a good poster bro but you’re way off on this one.

Barrera, Marquez, Cotto and Bradley were all in the prime of their careers when Pac beat them. There’s no doubt about it.

For sure. A so called past Prime barrera at 29 years of age is better than just about any win on floyds cv. That was barrera at his best.
Pac had nearly 7o fights when floyd got a win over pac. That win over Pac is just about as good as horns win over pac. Nel o weren't anywhere near his prime when floyd fought Nell also
And pac is floyds best win

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

For sure. A so called past Prime barrera at 29 years of age is better than just about any win on floyds cv. That was barrera at his best.
Pac had nearly 7o fights when floyd got a win over pac. That win over Pac is just about as good as horns win over pac.
And pac is floyds best win

I think Canelo was Floyd’s best win, but Pac was a great win too.

I don’t really take sides when it comes to May-Pac. I think you can make a plausible argument for either being greater depending on your criteria. Both ATG’s...

[GrandpaBernard]

For sure. A so called past Prime barrera at 29 years of age is better than just about any win on floyds cv. That was barrera at his best.
Pac had nearly 7o fights when floyd got a win over pac. That win over Pac is just about as good as horns win over pac. Nel o weren't anywhere near his prime when floyd fought Nell also
And pac is floyds best win

that manny who Floyd schooled is better and greater than Barrera

[hugh grant]

I think Canelo was Floyd’s best win, but Pac was a great win too.

I don’t really take sides when it comes to May-Pac. I think you can make a plausible argument for either being greater depending on your criteria. Both ATG’s...

You don't really want to set a precedent and say a cw win is a great win and start putting cw win on any kind of pedestals because to do so is playing a dangerous game. Nel o now is so much more advanced now also compared to the one floyd fought.

Nel o hadn't beat anyone for it to be a great win for floyd also. Pac although had been koed by jmm had best bradley.
Although the pac floyd fought was still gun shy and hadn't quite got mojo back and was 7o fight worn.

[hugh grant]

that manny who Floyd schooled is better and greater than Barrera

No. Don't think so. Barrera was at his best. Pac has nearly 70 fights when floyd fought pac.
It's a stretch to say barrera was past prime. Not pac though.
Pac has so many wars and got koed. Floyd was nearer prime than pac when they fought.
Pac actually beat barrera twice. Floyd tip tapped pac and ran and held for 12 rounds. You can't call that a great win. Floyd win over Pac is as bad and poor as horns win over pac.
Floyd don't care how he looks winning as long as he keeps zero. But even floyd wouldn't claim its a great win, even though it's flouds best win. That's why floyds legacy isn't where it could have been

[GrandpaBernard]

No. Don't think so. Barrera was at his best. Pac has nearly 70 fights when floyd fought pac.
It's a stretch to say barrera was past prime. Not pac though.
Pac has so many wars and got koed. Floyd was nearer prime than pac when they fought.
Pac actually beat barrera twice. Floyd tip tapped pac and ran and held for 12 rounds. You can't call that a great win. Floyd win over Pac is as bad and poor as horns win over pac.
Floyd don't care how he looks winning as long as he keeps zero. But even floyd wouldn't claim its a great win, even though it's flouds best win. That's why floyds legacy isn't where it could have been

Here’s what manny and Barrera did after they lost

manny beat Timmeh again. Beat Keith. Both comfortable victories. And is still going strong

Barrera got a very competitive and close win over Morales

Horn is a silly example. Horn struggled with manny unlike Floyd who schooled the filipino

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You don't really want to set a precedent and say a cw win is a great win and start putting cw win on any kind of pedestals because to do so is playing a dangerous game. Nel o now is so much more advanced now also compared to the one floyd fought.

Nel o hadn't beat anyone for it to be a great win for floyd also. Pac although had been koed by jmm had best bradley.
Although the pac floyd fought was still gun shy and hadn't quite got mojo back and was 7o fight worn.

Was Pac beating Cotto not a great win then?

2 lbs isn’t that much...

A CW takes some credit away but not as much as people like to make out IMO.

He’d just beaten Austin Trout to unify titles. That was definitely a great win, especially when you look at what Canelo went on to do.

[hugh grant]

Was Pac beating Cotto not a great win then?

2 lbs isn’t that much...

A CW takes some credit away but not as much as people like to make out IMO.

He’d just beaten Austin Trout to unify titles. That was definitely a great win, especially when you look at what Canelo went on to do.

Floyd fans dismiss the cotto win. But cotton had many very good wins under belt and was experienced at highest level. Trout was just a one hit wonder. Floyd win over Nelo is id put it similar to the individual who handed hagler his first loss. They are beating green fighters not at peak

[hugh grant]

Here’s what manny and Barrera did after they lost

manny beat Timmeh again. Beat Keith. Both comfortable victories. And is still going strong

Barrera got a very competitive and close win over Morales

Horn is a silly example. Horn struggled with manny unlike Floyd who schooled the filipino

Floyd fought pac soon after pac was koed. Floyds performance was unsatisfactory. Pac rematch barrera and gave 2 terrible career ending beatings. Where was floyds rematch to pac?I
Why should floyd get credit with so much controversy which he could have went some way to ending with rematch? He wouldn't have ended the controversy totally or criticism but at least floyd tried you could have said