Originally posted by Oh Yea Ray J
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Does Manny Pacquiao have a claim to be a Top 3 ATG?
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Top 3 no way, not with 7 losses, KO loses, CWs paper titles and ped allegations etc .
Casual fans get all hung up on the titles, the truth is title wins can be matchmaking more than fighting, the titles mean nothing who you beat under what conditions is the meat in the sandwich .
Atg fighter no doubt and second best of this generation but I can think of a quite a few greats in history from 130 to 154 that tear him up, top 3 ATG doesn't lose the fights that he lost.
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Originally posted by Oh Yea Ray J View Post1. Only 4-decade world champion in history (1990s-2020s)
2. Only 8 division world champion in history including 4 of the original divisions
3. Lineal championship in 5 weight classes
More divisions and longevity than anyone else.
Does he have a claim to be a Top 3 Boxer of all time?
If not, list your top 3.
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Originally posted by KillaMane26 View PostOn paper.....but when you compare ATGs you have to take every detail into account
The fact is he has fought more quality fighters and longer then most of the greats.
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Originally posted by strykr619 View PostComing from abject poverty to what he has attained now? Ali is the other other boxer that transcended the sport.
The fact is he has fought more quality fighters and longer then most of the greats.
Where a fighter came from has nothing to do with comparing the fighting ability of them against other ATGs.
Manny fought his best opposition above 140 and this is full of match making shenanigans.
Atg for sure but top 3 is fanboy BS, you seem to get into the fairy tale of it, you be the type to take Lassie to a dog fight citing how it ran of what sounded like a a Mountain Lion in the chicken house.
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Originally posted by Roadblock View PostGo away with the bleeding heart BS, most fighters come out of poverty and drug ridden surroundings, coming from the gutter has gone hand in hand with the sport.
Where a fighter came from has nothing to do with comparing the fighting ability of them against other ATGs.
Manny fought his best opposition above 140 and this is full of match making shenanigans.
Atg for sure but top 3 is fanboy BS, you seem to get into the fairy tale of it, you be the type to take Lassie to a dog fight citing how it ran of what sounded like a a Mountain Lion in the chicken house.
exactly
this thread REEKS of fanboy-idiot
neither Pacquiao nor Mayweather are top 10
and Mayweather is DEFINITELY higher than Pacquiao, not even close
most of the bullshlt mentioned in this thread, is NOT even genuine criteria for greatness
WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how
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