Does Manny Pacquiao have a claim to be a Top 3 ATG?

[Roadblock]

- -Aka duck him.

Pea didn't show up for his first title vs Ramirez.

Henry knocked out in his first fight.

I could go on, but none of the afore mentioned could ever beat in the literal sense of "beat" down a bigger, stronger, prime undefeated champ like Manny did to Thurman.

Really, so the betting fav beats a broken fighter that was injured before the fight and injured during needing surgery and this is the pinnacle. lol

As soon as people rate the returning after surgery Thurman as a huge accomplishment they casuals, Manny was fav to win .

And Pea didnt show up, lol put the same Manny that got stopped in with him and your point is mute, its best version in fantasy fights.

[hugh grant]

As for the rest Manny has lost to some B graders and lost during his prime, there are major asteriks right through his career.

Top 3 of all time is fanboy BS, there are many greats between 130 and 154 that spark him, the great boxers will beat his style every time.

Manny is atg no doubt but probably around 20, Manny will never beat guys like Whitaker Leonard and Mayweather, the Sweet ATGs will all shut him out.

If pac is beating cottos and thurmans and morales and barrera, and morales and hatton it means when he lost to torrecampo he wasn't finished article. Greatness is a journey, he didn't start out great. Pac at his best beats torrecampo in his sleep. Nothing in rule book says you can't have off night and not be the goat.

It's also not about h2h. Although you've no proof whitaker, srl and floyd shutsout pac in prime. cotto said pac beats floyd inprimeDlh said pac is best overall and would no doubt best floyd in prime. Jmm said pac s best of era. Pac has 3 wins over jmm if not scorecard errror. 3 razor close wins over someone is better than 1 cheated scales win. Do you know who what greatness is in boxing? 3 wins over bradley if not robbed, 2 wins over morakes, 2x wins over barrera, giant names of boxing. Why can't floyd best pac x2 or Nel o x2
Floyd a take the money and run type boxer. He wasn't about legacy

It's not about being unbeaten.

[BodyBagz]

Wouldn't go near a Cotto rematch without another clause
Lost to shot Erik
Beat shopworn MAB
A flash kd vs a not fully healed Thurman
Mentioning Hatton, might as well hype up Rios

Pac is all fluff and little substance.

[Slicedbread]

1. Only 4-decade world champion in history (1990s-2020s)
2. Only 8 division world champion in history including 4 of the original divisions
3. Lineal championship in 5 weight classes

More divisions and longevity than anyone else.

Does he have a claim to be a Top 3 Boxer of all time?

If not, list your top 3.

U can definitely make that argument.

Id say arpund 5 to 8 but another scalp like thurman and definitely

[HewJohnson]

bingo !!

it is clearly obvious who are the knowledgeable fans... and who are the shltty fanboys

this is how ****** these fcukboys are...

FACT: the number of divisions you represented is not criteria for greatness

for proof...

FACT: Willie Pep only ever fought in one division, and he is greater than Pac

multiple divisions comes down to body-type, the weight you started fighting, and probably... steroids... it has nothing to do with greatness

nameless achievements, are NOT criteria for greatness... all of Pac's nameless achievements are garbage... and so is everyone elses

the qualifying criteria for greatness is crystal clear... which is why historians use it...

WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when how

guys who fought in multiple divisions have a clear advantage, because they are more opportunity... so, lets hear those names

This troll is still here?!

[Roadblock]

If pac is beating cottos and thurmans and morales and barrera, and morales and hatton it means when he lost to torrecampo he wasn't finished article. Greatness is a journey, he didn't start out great. Pac at his best beats torrecampo in his sleep. Nothing in rule book says you can't have off night and not be the goat.

It's also not about h2h. Although you've no proof whitaker, srl and floyd shutsout pac in prime. cotto said pac beats floyd inprimeDlh said pac is best overall and would no doubt best floyd in prime. Jmm said pac s best of era. Pac has 3 wins over jmm if not scorecard errror. 3 razor close wins over someone is better than 1 cheated scales win. Do you know who what greatness is in boxing? 3 wins over bradley if not robbed, 2 wins over morakes, 2x wins over barrera, giant names of boxing. Why can't floyd best pac x2 or Nel o x2
Floyd a take the money and run type boxer. He wasn't about legacy

It's not about being unbeaten.

Now breakdown every fight with every name you mentioned and you will find a sht load of BS going on, CWs and fights near massive losses. Youre like most fans, name drop, Manny made a career out of riding the big names when they most vulnerable.

Youre right about it not being undefeated although it ways heavy into the debate, but what I think it is about is who is the best fighters , and in that its not Manny by a long shot, there are a bunch of greats from 130 to 154 that will box his ears off.

I have no probs with him being an atg but 3 is fanboy BS, if Manny is 3 then Floyd is definitely 1 and I think thats BS as well.

[hugh grant]

if Manny is 3 then Floyd is definitely 1 and I think thats BS as well.

Lol that surely is BS why is Floyd no1 if Pac is anywhere from no3 to no1?
Every common opponent said Pac is better than floyd or Pac beat more dominant ly or more times. Hatton said Cortez helped Floyd beat him and Pac destroyed Hatton in 2 rounds.
Pac is champ in 4 decades, oldest Ww ever, the list goes on, relevant stats. That mean something to people. Floyd stats mean nothing to people.

Bh is greater than jc having lost to him and 7 others. Bh didn't even have to win titles in 3 more divisions than jc. Bh didn't have to beat common opponents more dominantly or fight abroad like Pac did and jc did when he beat bh.

So Pac s overachieved. It's a no brainer.
Don't make allowances for floyd now, don't make excuses for floyd. It's one rule for floyd and another for everyone else!. Don't you think we can see it? Don't play that game.
There's no way in hell floyd s greater than pac.

[BoxingTrav]

- -U one of SissyBoyFloyd Sissyboys?

Manny a PPV fighter before TUE 51-0 whose first PPV was taking short $ against Gatti.

U preschool know U loose with overflowing BigBoy Barney trainers?

LOL. Like I thought. I will spare you

[RadChang]

He has a claim for me.

[champion4ever]

C'mon slick. I understand that you are a casual fan in all and I love Manny Pacquiao as well but to mention him as a P4P top 3 ATG is simply ludicrous. Has Manny fought over 200 professional prize fights in his career? The answer is no.