Does Manny Pacquiao have a claim to be a Top 3 ATG?

[madsweeney]

He’s not in my personal top 3 but you could definitely make a reasonable argument that he should be.

As you’ve listed, he has many unique accomplishments.

Forgot to put my 3 in...

1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Ali

You have Armstrong in there...who's best known for winning titles in 3 weight classes, failing in his fourth. Now surely Pacquiao, can be argued to have a comparable feat considering he was successful in obtaining titles in 4 of the original weight classes available to Armstrong(although not simultaneously like Armstrong) in a wider weight range than Armstrong. I'm not advocating that Pac is necessarily greater, just pointing out their accomplishments can be compared.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You have Armstrong in there...who's best known for winning titles in 3 weight classes, failing in his fourth. Now surely Pacquiao, can be argued to have a comparable feat considering he was successful in obtaining titles in 4 of the original weight classes available to Armstrong(although not simultaneously like Armstrong) in a wider weight range than Armstrong. I'm not advocating that Pac is necessarily greater, just pointing out their accomplishments can be compared.

Yeah this is kind of my point. Although Pac isn’t in my personal top 3 you can still make a reasonable argument for him to be in or around the top 3.

[hugh grant]

Pac s doing things at 41 Armstrong wasn't doing, he is doing what no ww in 100s of years of boxing was doing.
He is a candidate for being top 3, just like Ali and srr is. Nobody has a monopoly on it, there is no entitlement

[Roadblock]

Pac s doing things at 41 Armstrong wasn't doing, he is doing what no ww in 100s of years of boxing was doing.
He is a candidate for being top 3, just like Ali and srr is. Nobody has a monopoly on it, there is no entitlement

Its 2020, all athletes are performing much better and for longer its science not a reflection of great, great is great time does not allow an equal playing field comparing past eras.

As for the rest Manny has lost to some B graders and lost during his prime, there are major asteriks right through his career.

Top 3 of all time is fanboy BS, there are many greats between 130 and 154 that spark him, the great boxers will beat his style every time.

Manny is atg no doubt but probably around 20, Manny will never beat guys like Whitaker Leonard and Mayweather, the Sweet ATGs will all shut him out.

[aboutfkntime]

Its 2020, all athletes are performing much better and for longer its science not a reflection of great, great is great time does not allow an equal playing field comparing past eras.

As for the rest Manny has lost to some B graders and lost during his prime, there are major asteriks right through his career.

Top 3 of all time is fanboy BS, there are many greats between 130 and 154 that spark him, the great boxers will beat his style every time.

Manny is atg no doubt but probably around 20, Manny will never beat guys like Whitaker Leonard and Mayweather, the Sweet ATGs will all shut him out.

bingo !!

it is clearly obvious who are the knowledgeable fans... and who are the shltty fanboys

this is how ****** these fcukboys are...

FACT: the number of divisions you represented is not criteria for greatness

for proof...

FACT: Willie Pep only ever fought in one division, and he is greater than Pac

multiple divisions comes down to body-type, the weight you started fighting, and probably... steroids... it has nothing to do with greatness

nameless achievements, are NOT criteria for greatness... all of Pac's nameless achievements are garbage... and so is everyone elses

the qualifying criteria for greatness is crystal clear... which is why historians use it...

WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when how

guys who fought in multiple divisions have a clear advantage, because they are more opportunity... so, lets hear those names

[BodyBagz]

Whenever a fight fan want to hype a guy, post up the wins. They will either be credible wins or su****ious AF.

[BodyBagz]

Here's a perfect example of fans not knowing which way their heads are facing

So many people are saying Bud and Errl haven't fought anyone and are just hype jobs....YET, if Pac beats them it makes him a top 3 ATG ?!?!?!

Which is it ?????

[Joe Beamish]

Pac isn't even within smelling distance of the top 3, whose greatness should be defined by quality and quantity of wins versus losses, and not by belts or titles, which are meaningless in themselves. Pac lost some big fights by a large margin, whereas the quality of his victories falls well short of that of other fighters.

This isn't meant to diss Pacquaio, but to remind people that history includes a lot of great fighters with tremendous accomplishments.

[QueensburyRules]

Its 2020, all athletes are performing much better and for longer its science not a reflection of great, great is great time does not allow an equal playing field comparing past eras.

As for the rest Manny has lost to some B graders and lost during his prime, there are major asteriks right through his career.

Top 3 of all time is fanboy BS, there are many greats between 130 and 154 that spark him, the great boxers will beat his style every time.

Manny is atg no doubt but probably around 20, Manny will never beat guys like Whitaker Leonard and Mayweather, the Sweet ATGs will all shut him out.

- -Aka duck him.

Pea didn't show up for his first title vs Ramirez.

Henry knocked out in his first fight.

I could go on, but none of the afore mentioned could ever beat in the literal sense of "beat" down a bigger, stronger, prime undefeated champ like Manny did to Thurman.

[Santa_]

What's with everybody ranking Robinson @ #1? Can somebody show me a highlight vid?