Should fighters take the blame for decisions their promoters make?

[Citizen Koba]

First off I don't believe Canelo was angry at Oscar for delaying the fight. Oscar can't delay that fight unless Canelo was OK with it. Putting that aside. No if a promotor makes a mistake the fighter shouldn't get flack for it. However if it keeps happening and the promotor isn't let go when the contact expires then yes it's the fighter's fault.

If a fighter feels that the promoter ain't acting in their best interests whether by accident (or incompetence) or design then, yeah, it's then incumbent upon that fighter to leave the promoter - assuming of course they believe there are others who could do a better job. Just how long you'd allow the situation to continue or how egregious the fault(s) would have to be is of course dependent on the situation of individual fighters - actually breaking contract is always an option, but it's a big step to take and for a upcoming prospect could lead to em being blackballed or sidelined for years, possibly even killing their career.

[aboutfkntime]

Sure we you should blame Wilder for turning down offers from Team Joshua then

FACT: in 2018, AJ killed that fight TWICE
FACT: by 2019, Wilder had moved on

to continue dealing with disingenuous people who clearly do not want to fight... would be ******

Wilder and Joshua are responsible for every decision they made... just like every other adult human being lol

[aboutfkntime]

My post is not about club fighters.

Obviously, your status matters. When speaking of popularity, I didn’t want to spell it out word for word, but I meant popular fighters like for example Canelo, GGG, Joshua, Wilder, Khan. I did not mean popular like Demarcus Corley.

every fighter you mentioned... along with every other fighter, EVER... had the final word on their opponent selection

nobody made them fight

if a fighter feels that his promoter is lying, disingenuous, or simply not good enough, to secure the fights that he wants... he has a number of options to change it around... one of those options is not to continue hiding behind the promoter fighting scrubs... all while telling your fans "promoter doe"

fighter who use the... " promoter doe "... line...

... may as well be using the... " I am a bltch doe "... line...

surely you can see that these Captain Save-A-Hoe bltches have an agenda?

[-Kev-]

every fighter you mentioned... along with every other fighter, EVER... had the final word on their opponent selection

nobody made them fight

if a fighter feels that his promoter is lying, disingenuous, or simply not good enough, to secure the fights that he wants... he has a number of options to change it around... one of those options is not to continue hiding behind the promoter fighting scrubs... all while telling your fans "promoter doe"

fighter who use the... " promoter doe "... line...

... may as well be using the... " I am a bltch doe "... line...

surely you can see that these Captain Save-A-Hoe bltches have an agenda?

Well, that is the point i’m trying to make.

Some fighters don’t have a say, other fighters who’s popularity outgrows their promoter do have a say.

It is not one size fits all. For example, Lomachenko’s amateur accolades (being 2x Olympic Gold titlist), enabled him to put his foot down when negotiating what he wants out of pro boxing from Top Rank.

Teofimo Lopez, another example, personally promoted himself using a mix of social media, in-ring antics, and one good, devastating KO win over a champion. This, and his vocal ways and specifically singling out a fighter he wants (Lomachenko), lead to his promoter having no choice but to give him what he wants.

There is a bunch of variables that come into play when it comes which fighter has a say in his opponent.

I think that Terence Crawford for example, has a say in who he fights, but chooses to allow Bob Arum to pick his fights for him because it’s easy money. If you allow your great matchmaker to keep feeding you easy W’s, making easy money, a million here, another $2 million there. All of a sudden you made $6-8million fighting 5 easy pickings, of course you’re going to allow your promoter to pick your opponents. Crawford doesn’t want the party to stop. Fighting Spence for example, might get him $10million, but it also might get him a loss. He can just fight for $2-3 million pay days against Bob Arum’s bum of the month picks and rack up those same $10million without a loss.

Then you have a guy like Amir Khan who we all know has a say in his opponent selection, 100% say in his selection, and he can’t seem to stay away from the most dangerous choices he can possibly pick. He can be just like TC right now if he would fight guys like Horn, Benavidez, Kavaliouskas, Indongo, Molina Jr. He’d be 5-0 vs them. Instead he chooses to fight Canelo at Middleweight, Crawford at 147, Danny Garcia at 140.

[BodyBagz]

The buck begins and ends with the boss.
Last time I checked, the boxer was the boss.

[alexguiness]

As slimy and snake like most promoters are, it is the boxer who controls his career.

It makes me laugh when coaches or managers get canned for losses, while the actual players are like 'whatever' - KNOWING that they are responsible for taking a loss.

Being exploited by a bad promoter is common, but ultimately everyone is at risk of manipulation in life.

You choose the career - so do your research and make informed decisions that benefit you before anybody else.

[aboutfkntime]

Well, that is the point i’m trying to make.

Some fighters don’t have a say, other fighters who’s popularity outgrows their promoter do have a say.

It is not one size fits all. For example, Lomachenko’s amateur accolades (being 2x Olympic Gold titlist), enabled him to put his foot down when negotiating what he wants out of pro boxing from Top Rank.

Teofimo Lopez, another example, personally promoted himself using a mix of social media, in-ring antics, and one good, devastating KO win over a champion. This, and his vocal ways and specifically singling out a fighter he wants (Lomachenko), lead to his promoter having no choice but to give him what he wants.

There is a bunch of variables that come into play when it comes which fighter has a say in his opponent.

I think that Terence Crawford for example, has a say in who he fights, but chooses to allow Bob Arum to pick his fights for him because it’s easy money. If you allow your great matchmaker to keep feeding you easy W’s, making easy money, a million here, another $2 million there. All of a sudden you made $6-8million fighting 5 easy pickings, of course you’re going to allow your promoter to pick your opponents. Crawford doesn’t want the party to stop. Fighting Spence for example, might get him $10million, but it also might get him a loss. He can just fight for $2-3 million pay days against Bob Arum’s bum of the month picks and rack up those same $10million without a loss.

Then you have a guy like Amir Khan who we all know has a say in his opponent selection, 100% say in his selection, and he can’t seem to stay away from the most dangerous choices he can possibly pick. He can be just like TC right now if he would fight guys like Horn, Benavidez, Kavaliouskas, Indongo, Molina Jr. He’d be 5-0 vs them. Instead he chooses to fight Canelo at Middleweight, Crawford at 147, Danny Garcia at 140.

I don't believe that ever happened... name one

[aboutfkntime]

The buck begins and ends with the boss.
Last time I checked, the boxer was the boss.

bingo

if they don't want the fight, they walk... but suddenly when they select a no-hoper rather than a better opponent the fans want, suddenly the promoter is at fault

[BodyBagz]

bingo

if they don't want the fight, they walk... but suddenly when they select a no-hoper rather than a better opponent the fans want, suddenly the promoter is at fault

''I fight whoever my promoter puts in front of me''

[Ray*]

Wilder is responsible for every decision he made... just like every other adult human being lol

Exactly, I agree with you. You finally get it. Turning down 100M fight deal for less via network, thus ducking the Joshua fight can be attributed to him.