Should fighters take the blame for decisions their promoters make?

[aboutfkntime]

But this aint 100% true.... At then end of the day the promoter puts up money for the fight and decides who and who not to do business with

and those who are not happy with his decision... change it

like Garcia/Ward

Plenty of fighters have sued promoters they felt were not living up to the terms of their contract... the rest have the option to sit out their contract... proving that they have 100% control over their opponent selection, and their career

the fighters who choose to accept the decision of their promoter, made their choice... and they are responsible for that choice

QballLobo nailed it...

" If both fighters want the fight it will get made "

[aboutfkntime]

" If both fighters want the fight it will get made "

some recent examples (and this will work with EVERY example, try me)...

Spence/Crawford... Lomachenko/Garcia... Wilder/Joshua

please do not insinuate that I am perpetuating that ducking bullshlt

I like ALL of these fighters... so will not apportion blame

in each of the examples above... (and also with every other fight that did not get made)... one of the fighters did not want the matchup nearly as much as the other guy... IF, he wanted the fight at all... and I would suggest otherwise

fans can blame whoever they want, just so long as the blame lies with a fighter... I know who was the reluctant party was in ALL of those examples

I am well-aware that the promoter in each of those examples, had no intention of making the fight... but when each of those fighters made a choice to accept that decision, he became accountable for that decision

put it this way... EXPERIENCED british professionals (fighters/trainers/managers) did not accuse Eddie Hearn of ducking Wilder, they knew who to blame

ooops, there we go... I apportioned blame LMAO

in ALL three examples above, the reluctant party likely made a wise decision for his career

[Fists_of_Fury]

Yes they should get blamed 100%. Guys like Terrence Fraudford should take blame for cherrypicking faded former champs, b class or lower trinket holders, and bums while acting like he wants to fight top competition. If they re sign to a promotional company with no lucrative bouts and network exclusivity they are 100% to blame. But dumbass fanboys believe he wants all da smoke doe, da eye test doesn't lie, and the lousy boxing media shills won't call him out on his opposition because they'll get blacklisted.

[Ray*]

that is nonsense Ray... provide one example

even UFC fighters have the final say on their opponent selection... just like in boxing, you hear about MMA fighters rejecting fights all the time

the manager represents the fighter, he is an employee

You would find out that a lot of managers and promoters have these boxers on lock-down contract-wise. I boxed as an amateur and am not just speaking out of my behind.

Whyte for example comes to my gym in the early part of his career with Hearn and there is a reason he does fight by fight with Matchroom sport.

Unless you are a big name boxer like Canelo or Joshua, most of these boxers are tied by whatever they signed up to.

[Ray*]

Most fighters act like they work for their promoter when it is the other way around.
If both fighters want the fight it will get made.
A promoter often times chooses to take the heat as they feel its part of their job so yes if a big fight doesn’t get made the fighter does deserve blame.

Not necessarily. If both promoters/managers want the fight then the fight would get made. Most of the time boxers want the fights. They are NOT politicians, as long as they know the money is right then it makes sense to them.

It is the promoters, managers who brought politics into boxing. They don't want fighter A to give an opportunity to fighter B no matter what.

[Ray*]

But this aint 100% true.... At then end of the day the promoter puts up money for the fight and decides who and who not to do business with

Thank you, they invest in these boxers when they are NOBODIES, they then make these fighters sign contracts which benefits their investment in them.

This is why boxers always try to get out of their contracts later on in their careers. People thinking promoters/managers aren't the ones behind fights not happening is laughable....I blame them 100%. Boxers have to sue and sit on the shelf whilst trying to free themselves, some boxers cannot be bothered with that.

Look at Ward and Mikey Garcia, both lost years of their careers in their younger years.

[DaNeutral.]

Promoters are promoters they should not be making any major decisions on the Boxer or his career without that Boxers full knowledge.

Reading through the comments I agree these young up and comers have money and promises thrown at them and I understand how they can be led by talk of trusting the time served promoters but these more experienced fighters should knoe the score and take some responsibility at some point.

[aboutfkntime]

You would find out that a lot of managers and promoters have these boxers on lock-down contract-wise. I boxed as an amateur and am not just speaking out of my behind.

Whyte for example comes to my gym in the early part of his career with Hearn and there is a reason he does fight by fight with Matchroom sport.

Unless you are a big name boxer like Canelo or Joshua, most of these boxers are tied by whatever they signed up to.

what utter rubbish

there is literally not one single word of truth in that post

the fighters you mentioned... Whyte, Joshua, and Canelo... had the final say on every single opponent they faced... without exception

boxers taking fight-by-fight contracts proves that beyond doubt

[aboutfkntime]

Promoters are promoters they should not be making any major decisions on the Boxer or his career without that Boxers full knowledge.

Reading through the comments I agree these young up and comers have money and promises thrown at them and I understand how they can be led by talk of trusting the time served promoters but these more experienced fighters should knoe the score and take some responsibility at some point.

yep, club fighters reject opponents all the time

every insider knows that

it is just a lame excuse to protect fighters from criticism

[Ray*]

what utter rubbish

there is literally not one single word of truth in that post

the fighters you mentioned... Whyte, Joshua, and Canelo... had the final say on every single opponent they faced... without exception

boxers taking fight-by-fight contracts proves that beyond doubt

You have zero clue, you are helping me prove my point by disagreeing with yourself, like I said Whyte work on a fight by fight basis, so he is in control of his boxing career. Canelo and Joshua are big name boxers.

Again most of these boxers have contracts which makes them powerless, especially when they are coming up. It’s only when they are big names and AFTER are-signing contracts that they have the power to do what they want AKA Mayweather.

But keep proving me right without even knowing