Should fighters take the blame for decisions their promoters make?

[Ray*]

Promoters are promoters they should not be making any major decisions on the Boxer or his career without that Boxers full knowledge.

Reading through the comments I agree these young up and comers have money and promises thrown at them and I understand how they can be led by talk of trusting the time served promoters but these more experienced fighters should knoe the score and take some responsibility at some point.

Exactly, these guys sign their lives away for a smaller fee at the beginning of their careers, the promoters then proceeds to control his investment and would do anything to get his return of his outlays.

This is why some of them sue their promoters when they become bigger to get back control of their careers, Ward and Mikey Garcia as perfect examples.

Others prefer to go it alone and work on a fight by fight basis like Whyte or do what RJJ. Or what Mayweather did later on in his career.

But to suggest “Fight happens if a boxer wants it to happen is laughable” we just saw Wilder been talked out of a 100m guaranteed contract. Are they telling me the decision was his? He just choose to turn down 20m against Breazeale to pick up less on a different network?

People need to start thinking with their brains.

[KillaMane26]

and those who are not happy with his decision... change it

like Garcia/Ward

Plenty of fighters have sued promoters they felt were not living up to the terms of their contract... the rest have the option to sit out their contract... proving that they have 100% control over their opponent selection, and their career

the fighters who choose to accept the decision of their promoter, made their choice... and they are responsible for that choice

QballLobo nailed it...

" If both fighters want the fight it will get made "

Yea that last part is very true...

[GrandpaBernard]

Absolutely

Crawford
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[aboutfkntime]

You have zero clue, you are helping me prove my point by disagreeing with yourself, like I said Whyte work on a fight by fight basis, so he is in control of his boxing career. Canelo and Joshua are big name boxers.

Again most of these boxers have contracts which makes them powerless, especially when they are coming up. It’s only when they are big names and AFTER are-signing contracts that they have the power to do what they want AKA Mayweather.

But keep proving me right without even knowing

no that is absolute bullshlt

PLENTY of fighters turned down opponents... PLENTY of fighters sue... and PLENTY of fighters sit out their contract...

if a fighter CHOOSES to fight a certain opponent, then he is 100% responsible/accountable for that decision... there is literally no truth in your theory

who cares if someone has a fight-by-fight contract, they still have the right to accept/refuse an opponent... and according to Hearn, Whyte has refused plenty

[Ray*]

no that is absolute bullshlt

PLENTY of fighters turned down opponents... PLENTY of fighters sue... and PLENTY of fighters sit out their contract...

if a fighter CHOOSES to fight a certain opponent, then he is 100% responsible/accountable for that decision... there is literally no truth in your theory

who cares if someone has a fight-by-fight contract, they still have the right to accept/refuse an opponent... and according to Hearn, Whyte has refused plenty

Again you are proving right thank you. Whyte is an example of a fighter who is a free managed boxer. So as you are helping me by proven me right, because he has refused fights himself (he is promoter free). So thanks again.

Stevenson just founded out on tweeter, that he had offers made to his team but he wasn’t told or informed. His manager (Andre Ward) didn’t even tell him, his promoter didn’t even inform him. Why? Because he isn’t a free promotional boxer or self managed..... So again thank you for proving right...

When a boxer want a fight it does not just depends on him especially when he has a tied up managerial and promotional contract.

[Ray*]

Yea that last part is very true...

That’s absolutely false, Josh Warrington and shakur Stevenson both fight the fight. Is the fight made?

[aboutfkntime]

Again you are proving right thank you. Whyte is an example of a fighter who is a free managed boxer. So as you are helping me by proven me right, because he has refused fights himself (he is promoter free). So thanks again.

Stevenson just founded out on tweeter, that he had offers made to his team but he wasn’t told or informed. His manager (Andre Ward) didn’t even tell him, his promoter didn’t even inform him. Why? Because he isn’t a free promotional boxer or self managed..... So again thank you for proving right...

When a boxer want a fight it does not just depends on him especially when he has a tied up managerial and promotional contract.

so have PLENTY of contracted fighters

PLENTY of fighters turned down opponents...

PLENTY of fighters sue...

PLENTY of fighters sit out their contract...

it happens all the time man

club fighters turn down opponents all the time Ray, so I don't know what else to tell you lol

[Ray*]

so have PLENTY of contracted fighters

PLENTY of fighters turned down opponents...

PLENTY of fighters sue...

PLENTY of fighters sit out their contract...

it happens all the time man

club fighters turn down opponents all the time Ray, so I don't know what else to tell you lol

“Should fighters take the blame for decisions that their promoters make”..... So this is about boxers whose promoters TURN down fights or deals on their behalf.

Again this is why some boxers ENDED up suing their management/promoters to get out of contracts. You trying to insinuate that “If boxer A and B wants a fight then it would get “Made” is false.

And the fact that you don’t seem to understand that aspect is a surprised to me as you are one of the leading posters with knowledge of the sport here.

A free boxer yes, not a boxer that is tied up with managerial and promotional contracts, those boxers literally CANNOT move without speaking to their manager or promoters.

I have even given you examples, but sometimes our egos prevents us from learning. That isn’t an attack on you. But in this sport you learn from every poster. To suggest you are right and everyone else is “Talking rubbish” is laughable.

Shakur wanted to fight Josh Warrington and vice versa, offers were made from Team Warrington promoter to Shakur Stevenson promoter, Shakur does NOT even know about the offer. Because according to his own manager (Ward), the offer is not “Very solid”....

If a self managed boxer want to fight another self managed boxer then of course it’s easier to make.

[Combat Talk Radio]

my suggestion would be... the guy who ran around for YEARS telling the fans that he was being DUCKED by the 'other side' only to find out that he was pricing himself out of the big fights, demanding more money with no fans, etc. be held accountable

you have to hold the fighters accountable, and there is no reason not to

Edited with another example.

[aboutfkntime]

“Should fighters take the blame for decisions that their promoters make”..... So this is about boxers whose promoters TURN down fights or deals on their behalf.

Again this is why some boxers ENDED up suing their management/promoters to get out of contracts. You trying to insinuate that “If boxer A and B wants a fight then it would get “Made” is false.

And the fact that you don’t seem to understand that aspect is a surprised to me as you are one of the leading posters with knowledge of the sport here.

A free boxer yes, not a boxer that is tied up with managerial and promotional contracts, those boxers literally CANNOT move without speaking to their manager or promoters.

I have even given you examples, but sometimes our egos prevents us from learning. That isn’t an attack on you. But in this sport you learn from every poster. To suggest you are right and everyone else is “Talking rubbish” is laughable.

Shakur wanted to fight Josh Warrington and vice versa, offers were made from Team Warrington promoter to Shakur Stevenson promoter, Shakur does NOT even know about the offer. Because according to his own manager (Ward), the offer is not “Very solid”....

If a self managed boxer want to fight another self managed boxer then of course it’s easier to make.

nope... " decisions " = reject OR select... ALL decisions

the bottom line: the fighter has the last word, and is 100% responsible

and when that nonsense extends beyond 1 or 2 fights, it becomes insane to blame anyone else but the fighter...

Bradley is 100% responsible for his resume... Crawford is 100% responsible for his resume... Golovkin is 100% responsible for his resume... etc etc etc