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Nobody here really knows the business side of boxing like that, so we can’t know for sure, unless you’re a trainer who posts here like John Scully or something like that. But what is obvious is that when a fighter becomes “popular”, he does have some say in what he wants and the “it’s my promoter” line then just becomes something to protect yourself with.
Look at Lomachenko, he immediately set the ground rules for Bob Arum with what he wants to accomplish. He has had a quick career and has a pretty good resume pretty quickly.
Especially amateurs who already have some popularity coming in, I bet they have a bit of a say on what they want to do in their career.Comment
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the question is...
Should fighters take the blame for decisions their promoters make?
the answer is... yes !
the promoter represents the fighter
everything a promoter does... is done on behalf of the fighter
if a promoter refuses/accepts an opponent, the fighter is responsible
and there is no absolutely no ground to suggest otherwise
this is how a real champion behaves...
"if James Prince or my promoter says something on my behalf... I am accountable for that..."
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Bob Arum requested the WBC Franchise Belt for Lomachenko.
Lomachenko benefited because he was thus able to avoid having to face his mandatory Devin Haney and Arum benefitted because he sidestepped having to negotiate with Eddie Hearn.
Do we only blame the promoter if the fighter gets an advantage too?Comment
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You can blame both the promoter AND the boxer in this case, even though Lomachenko play “dumb” a member of his team asked for it (Arum) .... even did on camera, so Lomachenko can shut that down if he wants, because he is a bigger name. Sometime boxers literally have NO say, that’s why they always say call “My promoter”Comment
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My post is not about club fighters.
Obviously, your status matters. When speaking of popularity, I didn’t want to spell it out word for word, but I meant popular fighters like for example Canelo, GGG, Joshua, Wilder, Khan. I did not mean popular like Demarcus Corley.Comment
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Apportioning blame in boxing is a fool's errand anyway, each fighter or entity is acting according to what they believe is in their self interest at all times and it should be no other way. A networks responsibility is to maximise viewership and revenue whether through long or short term strategies, a promoters responsibility is to act the best interest of their promotion whatever they consider that to be, a fighter's - or their mangers's - responsibility is to act in the best interest of the fighter, and I think in every case that is what they do - or at least try to do to the best of their ability or the extent of their knowledge at the time. Same as the rest of us pretty much - all just trying to get ahead. To understand each situation or decision you simply gotta put yourselves in the shoes of the person making it taking account of every parameter you can - available budgets, promotional conflicts, the cost of losing, the rewards of winning, alternative options available to your fighter, options available to a prospective opponent and so on.
For every situation you'll see people arguing vociferously about who is to 'blame', or who has 'ducked' who, but the simple fact is that - as with pretty much everything else in life - it's simply a matter of perspective, or perhaps preferences. In general as soon as you're talking about blame or excuses you've already stepped away from a holistic and properly nuanced understanding of an issue.
In general though like you I'm very much of the belief that pretty much all fighters will fight pretty much anyone, but - and this is the kicker - they want to be paid what they're worth or pay their opponent no more than they think they're worth, and that is of course where the problems start and mostly end too, cos each side is gonna have different ideas about their own value and of course about how much value a particular fight will generate.
Who's to say who's right in such situations? If I quote someone to install some decking, say, and they choose to look elsewhere is it my fault for being too greedy or their fault for being too cheap... or is it just, as most normal people would see it, not really an issue of 'blame' at all and simply a matter of us having different ideas of the value of the job?
Last edited by Citizen Koba; 04-23-2020, 08:29 AM.Comment
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First off I don't believe Canelo was angry at Oscar for delaying the fight. Oscar can't delay that fight unless Canelo was OK with it. Putting that aside. No if a promotor makes a mistake the fighter shouldn't get flack for it. However if it keeps happening and the promotor isn't let go when the contact expires then yes it's the fighter's fault.Comment
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