Rank the following Middleweights

[redmish]

Hagler and Monzon are pretty decisively at the top, then Hopkins, then Golovkin, then Martinez.

Has to be this.

[Chollo Vista]

Guess he didn't know just how good he was, meaning he doesn't really know boxing that well yet. He should know about him now though, that guy bad one of the best jabs ever if not the best.

So let me understand this, if you're not a boxing historian, you dont know boxing?

If I were you, I'd take it easy. If I really really wanted to research Monzon, I could.

And if I'm being honest, many credible historians have ranked Hopkins over Monzon. I'm not going to act like a know-it-all and can admit when I don't know something off the top of my head, not to say I can't research it.

You should quit while you're ahead

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

So let me understand this, if you're not a boxing historian, you dont know boxing?

If I were you, I'd take it easy. If I really really wanted to research Monzon, I could.

And if I'm being honest, many credible historians have ranked Hopkins over Monzon. I'm not going to act like a know-it-all and can admit when I don't know something off the top of my head, not to say I can't research it.

You should quit while you're ahead

You gonna get the computer out?

You got exposed kid. Deal with it...

[Citizen Koba]

GGG beat those same opponents far more convincingly too.

Well to be sure, Macklin and Murray were considered very solid opponents (especially Macklin who should have got the nod against Sturm) at the time and Barker went on to be a World Champion however briefly. Whilst old Sergio did ultimately stop Macklin and Barker he made very heavy work of both whereas prime GGG annihilated Macklin and completely outclassed Murray.

Part of what's gone on here though - and part of why GGG became so highly regarded was precisely that Sergio was a well rated P4Per at the time, although in hindsight one could possibly argue that he was probably already well past his best by the time of those fights and shouldn't have been ranked as highly as he was.

[White Mandela]

Well to be sure, Macklin and Murray were considered very solid opponents (especially Macklin who should have got the nod against Sturm) at the time and Barker went on to be a World Champion however briefly. Whilst old Sergio did ultimately stop Macklin and Barker he made very heavy work of both whereas prime GGG annihilated Macklin and completely outclassed Murray.

Part of what's gone on here though - and part of why GGG became so highly regarded was precisely that Sergio was a well rated P4Per at the time, although in hindsight one could possibly argue that he was probably already well past his best by the time of those fights and shouldn't have been ranked as highly as he was.

I thought Martinez was still an elite fighter up until the 12th round against Chavez Jr. That knee injury he suffered in that fight pretty much ended his career. I thought he lost to Murray and then just cashed out against Cotto.

GGG’s run is actually underrated, he beat a lot of good middleweights just didn’t have that career defining win despite clearly beating Canelo in the first fight. People forget that Hopkins’ only defining wins at 160 came against welterweights. His run was pretty similar to GGG’s. Holmes, Johnson, Allen and Joppy aren’t exactly much better than Lemieux, Geale, Murray, Rubio, Macklin.

[White Mandela]

So let me understand this, if you're not a boxing historian, you dont know boxing?

If I were you, I'd take it easy. If I really really wanted to research Monzon, I could.

And if I'm being honest, many credible historians have ranked Hopkins over Monzon. I'm not going to act like a know-it-all and can admit when I don't know something off the top of my head, not to say I can't research it.

You should quit while you're ahead

Look at this troll squirming.

If you barely know who Monzon was you should STFU and quit while you’re ahead.

[White Mandela]

I agree tbf, the only guy I see troubling him is Hagler but I would still back Monzon to grind out a decision in a technical war type fight.

Monzon would have utilised that jab and busted Hagler up. It would have been competitive in spots but Monzon would win a UD.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Monzon would have utilised that jab and busted Hagler up. It would have been competitive in spots but Monzon would win a UD.

Fair point... I see Monzon edging a close decision myself...

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Look at this troll squirming.

If you barely know who Monzon was you should STFU and quit while you’re ahead.

This......😂😂

[Citizen Koba]

I thought Martinez was still an elite fighter up until the 12th round against Chavez Jr. That knee injury he suffered in that fight pretty much ended his career. I thought he lost to Murray and then just cashed out against Cotto.

GGG’s run is actually underrated, he beat a lot of good middleweights just didn’t have that career defining win despite clearly beating Canelo in the first fight. People forget that Hopkins’ only defining wins at 160 came against welterweights. His run was pretty similar to GGG’s. Holmes, Johnson, Allen and Joppy aren’t exactly much better than Lemieux, Geale, Murray, Rubio, Macklin.

Pretty much the case I'd make, there really ain't alot to choose between between GGG and Hopkins if you're just comparing their runs at 160 as I said earlier. Clearly Hopkins subsequent LHW run and longevity make him by far the greater fighter historically, but just taken as MWs there ain't a lot to choose. Likely Jacobs and possibly Derevyanchenko were as good or better than anyone on BHops MW resume, but then plenty of folk ain't convinced GGG deserved the nod in either case so it's swings and roundabouts.