Rewatching Andre Ward Fights During This Lockdown? JK. THAT DUDE WAS A CON JOB!

[QueensburyRules]

but floyd made it clear several times that he wouldnt fight at 160...floyd never pursued a fight with a 160lb fighter....he said "everybody has their limits i know mine it wont happen"....so ward saying hed fight floyd is moot

golovkin did pursue fights at 168...he put his name to paper for one....and he screamed 168 many times.....

theres a difference you know

- -U off U ADD meds?

Never stated TUE 51-0 pursued a 160+ fight.

Golovkin was pursuing the middlewt title defense record when Son of Goofus called him and TUE out. Golovkin killed it with the 164 catchwt U boy couldn't handle...end of.

[Curt Henning]

- -U off U ADD meds?

Never stated TUE 51-0 pursued a 160+ fight.

Golovkin was pursuing the middlewt title defense record when Son of Goofus called him out. Golovkin killed it with the 164 catchwt U boy couldn't handle...end of.

lol...just more nonsense from you...."son of goofus" ...tells me all i need to know....as if i didnt already know what a clown u were

[Boxing_1013]

Ward lost all 5 of his fights before the age of 12.

From age 13 to whenever he qualified for the olympics and won a gold medal, he didn’t lose a single fight.

You are talking straight nonsense.

Not really...my general points would still stand. If you want to ignore all that, fine by me lol.

[Boxing_1013]

- -Credit Goosen for calling the shots in Supersix.

His career don't extend much beyond that. He was willing to fight TUE 51-0 for big $ at 162, but not Golovkin at 164 fort short $, his choices.

Yeah I still kind of laugh when you look at how the Super 6 was basically set up to be his coronation...he was like ranked number 10, yet had all his fights in his backyard, some in his literal backyard.

Facing Kessler for example in Oakland is just bizarre...makes 0 sense.

[Boxing_1013]

theres nothing wrong with calling shots so long as any fight you should make gets made....the only time you could gripe with ward is if it stood in the way of making a good/big fight...it never did with wards career....every real good fight that could be made pretty much did within reason

people say the same about floyd...about how he never traveled or any of that stuff...floyd didnt have to and nobody in their right mind would if they dont have to...its like saying youre offered a job 50 miles away for one thats 10 minutes away with the same pay and benefits and long term growth....neither ward nor floyd ever had any big fight not take place over location

you can take any guys career and nitpick things like dirrell and bute....literally any big name fighter is never going to fight every guy youd want him to....the bute situation is a legit gripe with ward(not in the way you think)...bute hadnt beaten anyone....and when ward was done with a grueling super 6(remember he was the biggest betting underdog going in) it was a tough run....while bute was sitting around fighting less skilled guys....ward had the right to change his mind...he won the big tourney and was king of 168....all he did was ask bute to beat one guy a level up from what he had been fighting...and bute not only failed in his one crack he was stopped.....thats life

nobody was gonna pay ward at least 7 mil to face AB at that time...and tbh ward was prob gonna want a raise...he wasnt getting up for a penny less and its likely he was going to want more which nobody was gonna be willing to put up if were being truthful and honest....there wasnt enough money at the time....AB was still relatively unknown and untested at that point...FFS he fought enrico koelling later that year......it was never gonna be big enough....heck ward would have to still be active/fighting right now for the fight to be worth it to anyone

I don't hate on Ward or Floyd imo...I think they both made good business decisions really...but that should also be separated from how we view them as fighters...fighters get judged in a lot of ways by really taking risks, and a lot of that entails fighting in neutral/away places imho.

Floyd was a much bigger star than Ward and his fights were always the biggest in Vegas...so all of his opponents wanted to fight there too...similar with Canelo now.

I don't think we can really say that Ward didn't have fights fall through from location...I think Kessler Froch and Bute all stand out...and again that deal with Bute...when you say you the winner of Super 6 should fight him, then 2 fights later say he hasn't done enough...failing to see that he was fighting the best available anyway...and again you had just said the winner should definitely fight Bute and then you won and said different...I mean idk man I don't really see how anyone, fan or not, can defend that.

If GGG or someone else did or said something like that I would honestly call him a bit.ch about it...wouldn't really hate on the dude but yeah I would say it is a bit.ch move and I would say that for Ward there too.

I don't really have an issue with an established star not rushing to fight a young up and comer...think Floyd with Spence, or Ward with AB...risk reward for those types of fights are just all out of whack.

But when you have big money matches you could take, but just have to travel, well yeah I think all guys should take those fights...but some don't want to lose or lose the 0 so they stay home.

Ward pretty clearly could have rematched Kessler or Froch away from home, and could have had Bute and I believe Stevenson as well...and I don't even really think Bute would have beat him, Bute was too soft imo...GGG KOed him in the ams and we saw what Froch did to him...Ward very possibly would have stopped him too.

But I do think he was 'scared' to take that fight because it would have been in Montreal probably, and he didn't feel comfortable getting a decision there...especially after he won the Super 6 and raised his profile, he imo wanted to be extra careful with his 0 and wanted to try and follow Floyd's blueprint to success...for whatever reason he just never really caught on like Floyd did.

[lolpz]

Not really...my general points would still stand. If you want to ignore all that, fine by me lol.

Yes, let's clarify your point.


You are claiming that a fighter who didn't lose a fight from age 12 up until he retired in his professional career and won a gold medal in the Olympics, while unifying two stacked divisions in his professional career in the process, did it all with no true boxing skills.

Why would the Super 6 tournament even exist at SMW unless the division was loaded? It was created to name the king of the heavily stacked division at the time.

He then moved up to Light Heavyweight dethroned the boogeyman of that division beating him back to back and taking all three of his belts, securing a knockout in the process.

He then proceeded to retire as the #1 p4p fighter in the world, and stood #2 only to Floyd Mayweather for years leading up to Mayweather's retirement. He had arguably the best resume in boxing when Mayweather retired...how did he not prove himself against top opposition?




It stands to be about as ******ed of a point as I've ever seen on NSB. You lack brain cells.

[aboutfkntime]

- -U off U ADD meds?

Never stated TUE 51-0 pursued a 160+ fight.

Golovkin was pursuing the middlewt title defense record when Son of Goofus called him and TUE out. Golovkin killed it with the 164 catchwt U boy couldn't handle...end of.

the reason why we hate you shltty casual-fans... is because you are happy to throw BETTER fighters under a bus to make excuses for your hypejob

[aboutfkntime]

I don't hate on Ward or Floyd imo...I think they both made good business decisions really...but that should also be separated from how we view them as fighters...fighters get judged in a lot of ways by really taking risks, and a lot of that entails fighting in neutral/away places imho.

Floyd was a much bigger star than Ward and his fights were always the biggest in Vegas...so all of his opponents wanted to fight there too...similar with Canelo now.

I don't think we can really say that Ward didn't have fights fall through from location...I think Kessler Froch and Bute all stand out...and again that deal with Bute...when you say you the winner of Super 6 should fight him, then 2 fights later say he hasn't done enough...failing to see that he was fighting the best available anyway...and again you had just said the winner should definitely fight Bute and then you won and said different...I mean idk man I don't really see how anyone, fan or not, can defend that.

If GGG or someone else did or said something like that I would honestly call him a bit.ch about it...wouldn't really hate on the dude but yeah I would say it is a bit.ch move and I would say that for Ward there too.

I don't really have an issue with an established star not rushing to fight a young up and comer...think Floyd with Spence, or Ward with AB...risk reward for those types of fights are just all out of whack.

But when you have big money matches you could take, but just have to travel, well yeah I think all guys should take those fights...but some don't want to lose or lose the 0 so they stay home.

Ward pretty clearly could have rematched Kessler or Froch away from home, and could have had Bute and I believe Stevenson as well...and I don't even really think Bute would have beat him, Bute was too soft imo...GGG KOed him in the ams and we saw what Froch did to him...Ward very possibly would have stopped him too.

But I do think he was 'scared' to take that fight because it would have been in Montreal probably, and he didn't feel comfortable getting a decision there...especially after he won the Super 6 and raised his profile, he imo wanted to be extra careful with his 0 and wanted to try and follow Floyd's blueprint to success...for whatever reason he just never really caught on like Floyd did.

and this guy is a Golovkin fan looooool

Gennady... " only if you have no chance "... Golovkin

[aboutfkntime]

Yes, let's clarify your point.

You are claiming that a fighter who didn't lose a fight from age 12 up until he retired in his professional career and won a gold medal in the Olympics, while unifying two stacked divisions in his professional career in the process, did it all with no true boxing skills.

Why would the Super 6 tournament even exist at SMW unless the division was loaded? It was created to name the king of the heavily stacked division at the time.

He then moved up to Light Heavyweight dethroned the boogeyman of that division beating him back to back and taking all three of his belts, securing a knockout in the process.

He then proceeded to retire as the #1 p4p fighter in the world, and stood #2 only to Floyd Mayweather for years leading up to Mayweather's retirement. He had arguably the best resume in boxing when Mayweather retired...how did he not prove himself against top opposition?

It stands to be about as ******ed of a point as I've ever seen on NSB. You lack brain cells.

the guy thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika Barrera and Miranda...

I just never really saw the skills from him..... if he was born in a different country I don't think he would have been looked at much differently than Bika Barrera or Miranda etc.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...2#post19903762

he also thinks that Golovkin has faced more quality opposition than almost any other fighter in history.....

never had a slip up against quality opposition, and he faced probably more of them than almost any other fighter in history...

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=824905

the guy decided to rank Golovkin's opposition higher than genuine GREATS who had 200-300+ fights... despite the fact that Golovkin has a poor resume and no signature win

good luck bro

[aboutfkntime]

how did this turn into a Golovkin thread.... ?