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Sorry if I hurt your feelings man...was not intended...I just never saw great boxing skills from Ward at the top level, and have mentioned many times the particulars of that.
I mentioned in posts prior that I feel he probably got some help in close fights in the ams for various reasons...and I mean it's not like he was a total scrub...you put him in there with anyone like Paul Smith or Alex Brand and he will win clean...so in the ams he probably only had a very small number of real fights...that is the same story for anyone in the ams...for the good fighters, 9/10 of their fights are no contests.
But yeah with his affiliation with Hunter, his feel-good story about a boy-done-good after what happened to his folks...and the fact that he was no scrub, and you put all that together, and that he was likely able to get away with some roughhouse tactics in the ams if needed...and I would say likely got very favorable cards in the ams too, for those reasons.
If you or anyone else has any actual footage of Ward schooling someone in the ams in big fights, I am more than willing to view it and give him props for his amateur career...but it wouldn't change my mind at all about what I saw from him as a pro, nor should it.
Regarding the Super 6...I wouldn't really say it was stacked...and as mentioned, I feel it was pretty clearly set up for Ward to win and coronate him in a way...why else would a relative no-name, 10th ranked (I think) have all of his fights at home, some in his actual backyard.
Pretty clearly it was set up for Ward to win, and the hope was that he would be Floyd 2.0 and make everyone rich like Floyd did...but never really panned out for Ward, for whatever reason...hard to say it was really stacked when a consensus top 3/5 guy in Bute wasn't even invited to the tournament...seems like perhaps that the tournament was designed a certain way really.
The names to start the super 6 looked pretty solid...but when you look at who Ward actually faced, it is hardly that impressive...he beat Kessler in controversial fashion, in Oakland, when Kessler was number 1 at 168, and Ward far below that...he then beat the great Allan Green by UD in Oakland.
He then went 12 very hard/close rounds with Sakio Bika, in Oakland...and then beat Froch 7-5 in the US to win it...not terrible results but also all the fights at home, and the Bika fight was very competitive and Kessler quite controversial...Froch was a clean win but a close win...Allan Green, come on man.
If you really like Ward that's cool man...reading your post about him is a bit comical though...I mean everyone knows Kov won the first fight, and the 2nd was very controversial as well...if someone wanted to swear Ward was 1-1 in those fights, that's fine, you could make an argument to that affect...but for a supposed real neutral boxing head to really come on here and say he 'dethroned' Kov and beat him twice...I mean who are you trying to fool man...we all saw those fights lol.
A lot of your comments you make there are opinions man, and you seem to be really emotional about them, swearing they are facts lol...it is arguable that Ward was a top pfp fighter when he retired...I didn't see it that way, I think he got a lot of help and by fighting at home he won fights he otherwise would have lost or drew....he was a good tough smart fighter/boxer, but he wasn't a great boxer, not in my eyes, and many others seem to agree.
If you want to swear he was great, that's cool man, do you...but when you clearly inflate his standing (saying that opinions you have are factual), and then also get pretty clearly emotionally invested (calling someone names just because they view a fighter's career differently than you), well it makes you seem a bit biased and agenda-driven my friend.
If Ward was from somewhere like Venezuela and fought the same style and the same fights he fought...I think he wouldn't have been as successful, probably in the ams, and definitely in the pros...the dude never traveled, most of his top wins are really quite controversial, and he would 11-1 cards in 6-6 7-5 fights...just not that impressive to me man...but I don't have a bias or agenda for any fighter, just call it like I see it...maybe that's where we differ
I mentioned in posts prior that I feel he probably got some help in close fights in the ams for various reasons...and I mean it's not like he was a total scrub...you put him in there with anyone like Paul Smith or Alex Brand and he will win clean...so in the ams he probably only had a very small number of real fights...that is the same story for anyone in the ams...for the good fighters, 9/10 of their fights are no contests.
But yeah with his affiliation with Hunter, his feel-good story about a boy-done-good after what happened to his folks...and the fact that he was no scrub, and you put all that together, and that he was likely able to get away with some roughhouse tactics in the ams if needed...and I would say likely got very favorable cards in the ams too, for those reasons.
If you or anyone else has any actual footage of Ward schooling someone in the ams in big fights, I am more than willing to view it and give him props for his amateur career...but it wouldn't change my mind at all about what I saw from him as a pro, nor should it.
Regarding the Super 6...I wouldn't really say it was stacked...and as mentioned, I feel it was pretty clearly set up for Ward to win and coronate him in a way...why else would a relative no-name, 10th ranked (I think) have all of his fights at home, some in his actual backyard.
Pretty clearly it was set up for Ward to win, and the hope was that he would be Floyd 2.0 and make everyone rich like Floyd did...but never really panned out for Ward, for whatever reason...hard to say it was really stacked when a consensus top 3/5 guy in Bute wasn't even invited to the tournament...seems like perhaps that the tournament was designed a certain way really.
The names to start the super 6 looked pretty solid...but when you look at who Ward actually faced, it is hardly that impressive...he beat Kessler in controversial fashion, in Oakland, when Kessler was number 1 at 168, and Ward far below that...he then beat the great Allan Green by UD in Oakland.
He then went 12 very hard/close rounds with Sakio Bika, in Oakland...and then beat Froch 7-5 in the US to win it...not terrible results but also all the fights at home, and the Bika fight was very competitive and Kessler quite controversial...Froch was a clean win but a close win...Allan Green, come on man.
If you really like Ward that's cool man...reading your post about him is a bit comical though...I mean everyone knows Kov won the first fight, and the 2nd was very controversial as well...if someone wanted to swear Ward was 1-1 in those fights, that's fine, you could make an argument to that affect...but for a supposed real neutral boxing head to really come on here and say he 'dethroned' Kov and beat him twice...I mean who are you trying to fool man...we all saw those fights lol.
A lot of your comments you make there are opinions man, and you seem to be really emotional about them, swearing they are facts lol...it is arguable that Ward was a top pfp fighter when he retired...I didn't see it that way, I think he got a lot of help and by fighting at home he won fights he otherwise would have lost or drew....he was a good tough smart fighter/boxer, but he wasn't a great boxer, not in my eyes, and many others seem to agree.
If you want to swear he was great, that's cool man, do you...but when you clearly inflate his standing (saying that opinions you have are factual), and then also get pretty clearly emotionally invested (calling someone names just because they view a fighter's career differently than you), well it makes you seem a bit biased and agenda-driven my friend.
If Ward was from somewhere like Venezuela and fought the same style and the same fights he fought...I think he wouldn't have been as successful, probably in the ams, and definitely in the pros...the dude never traveled, most of his top wins are really quite controversial, and he would 11-1 cards in 6-6 7-5 fights...just not that impressive to me man...but I don't have a bias or agenda for any fighter, just call it like I see it...maybe that's where we differ
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