A Deep look into Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo and GGG's Risk History

[Chollo Vista]

canelo vs miguel vazquez 2 was also considered almost 50-50, they fought twice for a reason, altough they were both prospects at the time, but highly praised prospects...

Do you have a source detailing those odds?

[icha]

Do you have a source detailing those odds?

honestly not, but i thought it was worth to mention...

[Boxing_1013]

Thanks for the research...a few things - odds signify not necessarily how much of a favorite/underdog someone is - but rather show what money lines the casinos need to put out in order to generate even money, more or less, on the fight...they want to make money regardless of who wins...minor distinction but a relevant one when talking betting.

On that note, I think a more relevant discussion itt to determine 'greatness' or whatever, would be what odds any of those guys would have had in each of those fights...of course, with different weight classes etc for all those guys, that becomes difficult lol...and would be all speculation really.

And even to that end, you would have to factor in that the A-side very much usually gets the benefit of the doubt in fights, so it's a safer bet to bet on him...and that is reflected in the pre-fight odds.

Cool thread though.

[Roadblock]

First one I looked at was Manny Thurman and could off swore Manny was betting Fav, on looking he was there are many articles saying Manny was betting fav.

If thats wrong how many more are wrong.

[Chollo Vista]

Andre Ward betting odds history:

- Kessler was a -220 favorite
- Miranda -300
- Green -600
- Bika -950
- Abraham -525
- Froch -290
- Dawson -290
- Rodriguez -1200
- Smith -8500
- Barrera -800
- Brand -8500
- Kovalev 1 -130
- Kovalev 2 - 140

In conclusion:

Ward

- Bouts in which he was the underdog - 1 (Kessler)
- Bouts in which he was a 5 to 1 favorite or less - 6
- Bouts in which he was a 20 to 1 or more favorite - 2

[Chollo Vista]

First one I looked at was Manny Thurman and could off swore Manny was betting Fav, on looking he was there are many articles saying Manny was betting fav.

If thats wrong how many more are wrong.

You are correct. I'm showing Pac was a -145 favorite. I'll update the OP, ASAP.

This fight wasn't on my odds shark copy and paste so I made an error when finding it externally. Mistakes will be made as this is a lot of data. If you find another error, please quote me so I can update it.

[Chollo Vista]

Thanks for the research...a few things - odds signify not necessarily how much of a favorite/underdog someone is - but rather show what money lines the casinos need to put out in order to generate even money, more or less, on the fight...they want to make money regardless of who wins...minor distinction but a relevant one when talking betting.

On that note, I think a more relevant discussion itt to determine 'greatness' or whatever, would be what odds any of those guys would have had in each of those fights...of course, with different weight classes etc for all those guys, that becomes difficult lol...and would be all speculation really.

And even to that end, you would have to factor in that the A-side very much usually gets the benefit of the doubt in fights, so it's a safer bet to bet on him...and that is reflected in the pre-fight odds.

Cool thread though.

Points noted, but Canelo was the A-side against Golovkin, yet came in as the underdog. To be honest, the whole thing about A-side vs B-side just came into light I'd say around 2008 or 2009. But even then, I'm pretty sure SRL was the A-side against Hearns and Hagler, yet he still came in as the underdog.

[aboutfkntime]

I don't see canelo taking a lot of risks considering the judges are paid off and he's allowed to pump himself full of drugs too. It's easy to take tough fights on paper when you know judges have given you a 4 round head start. He lost twice to ggg, lara and Jacobs fights its debatable whether he won, he was losing to trout genuinely before them ****** open scorecards made trout change tactics.

that is the kind of mindless ******ity that wrecks good threads

[aboutfkntime]

Thanks for the research...a few things - odds signify not necessarily how much of a favorite/underdog someone is - but rather show what money lines the casinos need to put out in order to generate even money, more or less, on the fight...they want to make money regardless of who wins...minor distinction but a relevant one when talking betting.

On that note, I think a more relevant discussion itt to determine 'greatness' or whatever, would be what odds any of those guys would have had in each of those fights...of course, with different weight classes etc for all those guys, that becomes difficult lol...and would be all speculation really.

And even to that end, you would have to factor in that the A-side very much usually gets the benefit of the doubt in fights, so it's a safer bet to bet on him...and that is reflected in the pre-fight odds.

Cool thread though.

1) this thread is not designed to " determine greatness "

2) your suggestion cannot " determine greatness "... simply because, it is not genuine criteria for greatness

I have told you this numerous times already, what is wrong with you

who did you beat, with consideration given to when/how

nothing else matters

oh, right... I forgot... you measure greatness based upon how a guy performs against good/average opponents... because greats always have close fights, right?

the question is, how good was the opponent you beat?... not, what is the difference between his level and yours, and who was favored in the fight

if we were discussing greatness, Golovkin would not have been mentioned... you muppet

this is a indicator, nothing more

[aboutfkntime]

Andre Ward betting odds history:

- Kessler was a -220 favorite
- Miranda -300
- Green -600
- Bika -950
- Abraham -525
- Froch -290
- Dawson -290
- Rodriguez -1200
- Smith -8500
- Barrera -800
- Brand -8500
- Kovalev 1 -130
- Kovalev 2 - 140

In conclusion:

Ward

- Bouts in which he was the underdog - 1 (Kessler)
- Bouts in which he was a 5 to 1 favorite or less - 6
- Bouts in which he was a 20 to 1 or more favorite - 2

how does Marquez stack up... ?

that would be real interesting