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  • Boxing_1013
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    #101
    Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
    Golovkin was a B- level at his best, beating D- bums. Mentioning the word "great" and Golovkin shows some people DKSAB.

    He couldn't beat average boxers like Jacobs and good boxers, not great, like Canelo. He lost to Derevyanchenko.

    I have Golovkin losing to Canelo twice, Jacobs, and Derevyanchenko. That's not the stuff of the greats, let alone ATGs.
    Sincere question - didn't you say before that you don't even score fights?

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      #102
      Originally posted by juandabomb
      There's a reason why Canelo didn't want to face
      Sergiy Derevyanchenko.."because he was chasing greatness say the canelistas" fighting worn down beat down kovalev vs a tough fighter like Sergiy, jacobs knows as well. Bivol was available and ready would've cost less than krushless.
      Good post...anyone acting like Kov was a killer and Derevy was an easy fight, well they are being very biased or are very casual.

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        #103
        Originally posted by aboutfkntime
        fair point, but at this stage Golovkin is being compared to Canelo

        Canelo is selecting difficult opponents, Golovkin is still selecting the easiest opponent

        e.g.
        he happily fought Derevy, immediately after publicly stating that fighting Charlo and Andrade "made no sense"... which, makes no sense

        Golovkin is copping flak because it is clearly obvious that him and Canelo are cut from a different cloth... Canelo has many more options than Golovkin, simply because he is willing to fight anyone

        Golovkin is extremely lucky to be getting another handout from Canelo... especially after all those excuses, never giving Canelo any credit
        ? GGG is getting the same money per fight regardless basically...should be commended for wanting a chance at redemption at 38 vs a prime Canelo...Canelo is the one of the 2 who wants more money than he is contracted to get to face GGG.

        Brilliant logic from you...no surprise though considering you don't even score fights but swear some guys won or lost in certain fights lol

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          #104
          Originally posted by Dean_Razorback
          spin it anyway you want it, still, tested positive for a PED and was backed by a corrupt sanctioning body.

          canelo cheated, end of the story
          If that what lets you sleep at night, oh wait you instead spend every waking moment hating him like most ggg fans scorned

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          • Boxing_1013
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            #105
            What is anyone mad about lol...GGG is 38, and is clearly fighting father time...DAZN has so much riding on Canelo-GGG 3 which was just announced for September.

            GGG at his age and after all he has done should get an easy fight, every other fight, until he is done...he just had probably the toughest fight of his career vs SD...if he or DAZN wants a tune up before Canelo, any reasonable person would say he is due one.

            Interesting that DAZN finally got Canelo to come around on the trilogy...should be a good fight...interested to see if GGG fights before that against Kamil...will be interesting to see what he has left at this point.

            GGG's activity advantage will still make him a tough fight for Canelo...but Canelo's power is really starting to show up as well...should be a great fight...rd by rd it will still probably be close even at GGG's age...but wouldn't be surprised if Canelo hurts him at some point in the fight.

            If GGG wants another go at it, hey it's his call...props to him for still wanting that fight at his age.

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            • aboutfkntime
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              #106
              Originally posted by Boxing_1013
              ? GGG is getting the same money per fight regardless basically...should be commended for wanting a chance at redemption at 38 vs a prime Canelo...Canelo is the one of the 2 who wants more money than he is contracted to get to face GGG.

              Brilliant logic from you...no surprise though considering you don't even score fights but swear some guys won or lost in certain fights lol




              Hypekin still has Derevyanchenko problems

              he is extremely lucky to be getting another handout from Canelo

              btw, knowledgeable observers can see how a fight is unfolding

              we can tell who is winning the exchanges, controlling the action, inflicting their gameplan on the fight, and negating their opponents style... and we can do it without furiously counting jabs on our fingers and recording the result with a pen and paper

              noddy... you deleted 3 of the 4 official scoring criteria, and then ********ist the last... to try to award Golovkin the rematch... so you should STFU and stop giving other people advice

              it is highly amusing that you think most REAL boxing fans studiously sit there with a pencil, fixating on counting every single jab... frantically scribbling ticks in a column... like the judges do LMAO

              you can't count to 12 in your head you fool... ?

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                #107
                Canelo has it pretty hard. Everybody needs to suck his nuts or something I guess.

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                  #108
                  Originally posted by Shadoww702
                  How many future HOFamers has GGG beat??? How many top P4Pers???

                  Canelo is a 1st time HOFamer when he’s up for election. GGG??? I’m not so sure
                  More than Canelo.

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                  • Boxing_1013
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                    #109
                    Originally posted by aboutfkntime
                    Hypekin still has Derevyanchenko problems

                    he is extremely lucky to be getting another handout from Canelo

                    btw, knowledgeable observers can see how a fight is unfolding

                    we can tell who is winning the exchanges, controlling the action, inflicting their gameplan on the fight, and negating their opponents style... and we can do it without furiously counting jabs on our fingers and recording the result with a pen and paper

                    noddy... you deleted 3 of the 4 official scoring criteria, and then ********ist the last... to try to award Golovkin the rematch... so you should STFU and stop giving other people advice

                    it is highly amusing that you think most REAL boxing fans studiously sit there with a pencil, fixating on counting every single jab... frantically scribbling ticks in a column... like the judges do LMAO

                    you can't count to 12 in your head you fool... ?
                    This isn't really a handout from Canelo man...GGG got his handout from DAZN, because they always wanted this fight...GGG would fight whoever DAZN tells him to fight...they are paying him more than he is worth (unless he is fighting Canelo).

                    And dude why are you bragging that you don't score fights man...it's embarrassing...like in order to really have an opinion about who won/lost a fight...you have to score it, like the judges do...tally it up after the round and score it for who you think won.

                    That you don't score fights, and haven't in decades...yet you have these huge opinions about who won/lost...I mean it's sad man...I can't believe that you don't see how ridiculous that is.

                    It honestly really makes you seem like a guy who just roots for who you want to win...which is an overwhelming percentage of the guys on here, so don't feel bad.. they will make all efforts to try and score that fight for their guy...if they actually forced themselves to score it, you may find that your guy didn't really win, and that would probably shatter their psyche.

                    You seem like a good dude man...but yeah I lost all enjoyment of mixing it up with you when you admitted that you haven't even scored a fight in decades...just sad dude, like wtf.

                    In any event, hope you guys are staying safe down there from the corona/wuhan flu.

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                    • aboutfkntime
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                      #110
                      Originally posted by Boxing_1013
                      This isn't really a handout from Canelo man...GGG got his handout from DAZN, because they always wanted this fight...GGG would fight whoever DAZN tells him to fight...they are paying him more than he is worth (unless he is fighting Canelo).

                      And dude why are you bragging that you don't score fights man...it's embarrassing...like in order to really have an opinion about who won/lost a fight...you have to score it, like the judges do...tally it up after the round and score it for who you think won.

                      That you don't score fights, and haven't in decades...yet you have these huge opinions about who won/lost...I mean it's sad man...I can't believe that you don't see how ridiculous that is.

                      It honestly really makes you seem like a guy who just roots for who you want to win...which is an overwhelming percentage of the guys on here, so don't feel bad.. they will make all efforts to try and score that fight for their guy...if they actually forced themselves to score it, you may find that your guy didn't really win, and that would probably shatter their psyche.

                      You seem like a good dude man...but yeah I lost all enjoyment of mixing it up with you when you admitted that you haven't even scored a fight in decades...just sad dude, like wtf.

                      In any event, hope you guys are staying safe down there from the corona/wuhan flu.




                      you lost your ability to " mix it up " with anyone... when you DESTROYED the official scoring criteria, to justify why you think that Golovkin beat Canelo

                      and btw, the story you told a few days ago to explain the criteria for greatness, is the ******est thing I have ever heard

                      you think the criteria for greatness is how you fare against good/average opponents... and how you fare against greats has no bearing, because fighters often lose to other great fighters LMAOOOO

                      where do you get that lame corny shlt ?

                      nobody is dumber than you fanboy

                      I added that to your list.....




                      thinks that Golovkin has a better resume than Canelo.....
                      Originally posted by Boxing1013
                      I just made a thread about specifically why people rate Canelo's resume as better than GGG's...and I laid out my case as to why I rate GGG's better.....
                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=820918
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                      thinks that one of the " killers " on Golovkin's resume could have beaten Canelo.... but will not say which one
                      Originally posted by Boxing1013
                      I don't think Canelo would have gotten all of his guys out by KO and maybe would not have 'won' all of them.....
                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...820918&page=10
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                      thinks that Golovkin has faced more quality opposition than almost any other fighter in history.....
                      Originally posted by Boxing1013
                      never had a slip up against quality opposition, and he faced probably more of them than almost any other fighter in history...

                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=824905
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                      thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika Barrera and Miranda
                      Originally posted by Boxing1013
                      I just never really saw the skills from him..... if he was born in a different country I don't think he would have been looked at much differently than Bika Barrera or Miranda etc.....
                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...2#post19903762
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                      thinks that Golovkin has 5-6 'great' wins..... but cannot even name 1 of those 'great' wins
                      Originally posted by Boxing1013
                      Yeah he has about 10+ good wins imo...and 5-6 'great' wins if you want to term it that...great fighter, great career...an ATG at MW...that's pretty clear I think..... If a great win is a dominant win over another prime great fighter...I would say GGG has quite a few tbh.....
                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...821123&page=20
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                      thinks that Lemieux, Murray... are the same level as Canelo/Jacobs

                      Originally posted by Boxing1013
                      Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs...
                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...9#post20112309
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                      thinks that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley, are for Canelo.....
                      Originally posted by Boxing1013
                      Canelo's top wins would be Lara..Jacobs and Cotto imo...GGG's would be Jacobs, Murray and Lemieux...I don't see a ton of separation there..... winning 7-5 vs a great Lara...and going 12 with a shot fat Cotto...is not imo better than 8 Round destruction of Lemieux...and 11 round destruction of Murray..... Vanes was inactive and moving up in weight...but he wasn't shot like SSM more or less was..... I don't think going 12 with Mosley when Canelo did, or 12 with Trout, are better wins than GGG running through Monroe and Geale.....
                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...820918&page=16
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                      creates a thread misquoting Steve Weisfeld.....
                      Originally posted by Boxing1013
                      Boxing1013 attempted to remove defence, ring generalship, and effective aggression, as official scoring criteria..... to justify why he thinks Golovkin beat Canelo in their rematch..... but, had NO IDEA that Steve Weisfeld was AN OFFICIAL JUDGE at the Canelo/Golovkin rematch..... and Weisfeld scored that fight for Canelo looool
                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=818903
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                      proves that he has no idea how to score a professional boxing match...

                      Originally posted by Boxing_1013
                      I'll also tell you how I score them...generally give a 'full point' for a good hard clean shot...and a 'half point' for a punch that is a scoring blow but isn't necessarily super hard or clean.
                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...3#post20372893
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                      thinks Golovkin's resume is just as good as Pernell Whitaker's resume

                      Originally posted by Boxing_1013
                      resume wise it is interesting that one dominated with decision wins over good fighters, and one with KO wins over good fighters...both having the same number of wins, and about the same number of good wins.
                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=843266
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                      thinks that Daniel Geale is a better fighter than Jeff Fenech

                      Originally posted by Boxing_1013
                      I would even say Geale in his prime was a better fighter than Fenech
                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...=843266&page=2
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                      has NO idea what qualifies a fighter for greatness

                      I think you are once again another on here who fails to realize that what makes 99% of great fighters great - is beating 9/10 or even 10/10 of the good solid pros they faced...most greats only face 1-2 or maybe 3 other greats in their primes/best weights, and usually they have mixed results there.
                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...=843266&page=2

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