Comments Thread For: Fury vs. Joshua: Hearn Aims To Nail Down Two-Fight Deal

[champion4ever]

lol ain't happening

wilder exposed

Fury may have exposed him but he didn't come anywhere near to destroying him. Wilder shall return!

[Cool Scant]

Undisputed really has nothing to do with it. Wilder simply wasn’t/still really isn’t a big draw. You’re supposed to give a guy a cut of the UK PPV when that guy isn’t going to boost those PPV sales? Makes sense. $15m two years ago...and Wilder has only POTENTIALLY made more than that once, in the Fury rematch LOL such a lowball offer, right?

And don’t even try and bring up the recent PPV numbers, without Fury he’d bring in the same as the Ortiz rematch. What was it again? Absolute maximum of 270k (inflated number to save face)? LOL yea Wilder really contributes.

Funny how you skipped over the $100m DAZN offer though. $40m per fight for two fights with AJ? Lowball is it? Wilder probably hasn’t earned $40m in his entire 12 year, 43 fight career. Baha

The DAZN offer was another flat fee offer. And skipper apologized and took responsibility for messing up the DAZN deal. If that DAZN deal is really fair than all you AJ fans need to encourage Hearn and AJ to make that same offer to fury and Arum.

And as far as the recent PPV, wilder had as much to do with the success of that ppv as fury had. I can argue even more. Did you see Furys live gate numbers in the two fight after the first wilder fight? Just terrible.

[andocom]

Can someone please explain how Dazn and Top Rank can do a mutual ppv? I don't understand how the difference in platforms can work together. Unless ESPN were to offer their PPV at the same price as a DAZN subscription. That's not going to happen. Or DAZN were to make the cost of the fight $80. Which would go against their subscriber base. Any ideas?

Firstly they agree on a split, obviously 50/50 in this case so shouldn't be an issue here.

Next, both sides shop around proposals for locations & broadcast rights. It'll be PPV in the UK and other markets that don't have Dazn either way.

See what the money looks like, if Saudi Arabia offers $100M, Dazn $50M and Sky $30M, maybe first fight is dazn with each getting $80M, rematch is on ESPN PPV. Maybe first fight is in the UK and ESPN, second fight on dazn in SA.

Plenty of options, Joshua isn't contracted to dazn, but they probably have more money to offer, especially if ESPN actually lost money Fury v Wilder 2, but yeah whoever offers the most, or one fight on each platform would seem to most likely path.

[Gunitsmith]

Firstly they agree on a split, obviously 50/50 in this case so shouldn't be an issue here.

Next, both sides shop around proposals for locations & broadcast rights. It'll be PPV in the UK and other markets that don't have Dazn either way.

See what the money looks like, if Saudi Arabia offers $100M, Dazn $50M and Sky $30M, maybe first fight is dazn with each getting $80M, rematch is on ESPN PPV. Maybe first fight is in the UK and ESPN, second fight on dazn in SA.

Plenty of options, Joshua isn't contracted to dazn, but they probably have more money to offer, especially if ESPN actually lost money Fury v Wilder 2, but yeah whoever offers the most, or one fight on each platform would seem to most likely path.

I appreciate your thoughts on that.
I just can't see either platform giving up their champ. Especially ESPN doing promos for a fight on DAZN. i find that unlikely. I'm thinking some sort of co promotion again. And if Wilder does get the WBC back,you can believe it will be in PBC protection mode for a long time to come.

[slimPickings]

Did you not? Lol my mistake. I just read what was quoted in your reply further up. I should have looked for your initial comment baha

I’d have to disagree with how they both handle being hurt though. AJ has enough wits about him to hold or try and use lateral movement when hurt like with Klitschko, Povetkin and Ruiz (even though it didn’t really work there lol), whereas Wilder seems to prefer putting his hands up in a high guard and walk straight backwards like he did with Fury, Molina and Ortiz for the most part. Doing that against somebody just as big with an equal reach and can **** is a veeeeeeey bad move.

For me I think it’s only even in the sense that Wilder has that concussive punch power. Which makes it annoying when trying to predict his fights lol For instance with Fury; I think Fury feints and bullies him for six rounds in the third go and stops him in more convincing fashion, and I’m fairly confident of this, but it’s still a 50/50 lol annoying as.

Make up your mind.
Cant have it both ways!!

Hoping the 3rd fight comes off...BOOKMARKED.

[Jkp]

No lol firstly, Hearn said he stayed on the outside and left the negotiations to DAZN as he thought (quite rightly so) that his direct involvement would make them more resistant. So he couldn’t be dropped from something that he was never directly involved with. Secondly, the ONLY reason Wilder and Finkle have ever given for turning the offer down is the fact that DAZN wouldn’t tell them what AJ would be earning. Their comments are all in the media. I task you to find me any article that has reasons other than “they wouldn’t tell us what AJ was earning” or non-existent network obligations for Wilder. So much for “One name, one champion” and “it isn’t about money”.



Again, no. The $100m was actually a three fight deal. The first fight was a guarantee of $20m for Wilder to fight his mandatory, Breazeale, in May, while AJ fought Ruiz in June. Now obviously, like most contracts that are signed that have an interim fight before the fights stipulated in the contract, it would all depend on AJ beating Ruiz.

Do Wilder fans seriously avoid anything that puts Wilder in a negative light? Lol all this has been heavily reported in the media.

Edit: Oh yea, I forgot, the only other excuse Finkle gave for turning down the offer was “we want Wilder to be seen by millions of people in the US, that wouldn’t happen on DAZN” LOL have any of Wilder’s fights ever been viewed by more than a million? I’d be shocked if so. Even if there have, guarantee it’s only been once or twice. I’d dread to think what his worldwide viewing figures are in comparison to AJ (AJ vs. Klitschko was viewed by more than 12m across Europe)

Eddies deals are so crooked he cant make a single fight deal with 2 of his own fighters. (go ask Dillian and AJ)

[Squared.Circle]

The DAZN offer was another flat fee offer. And skipper apologized and took responsibility for messing up the DAZN deal. If that DAZN deal is really fair than all you AJ fans need to encourage Hearn and AJ to make that same offer to fury and Arum.

And as far as the recent PPV, wilder had as much to do with the success of that ppv as fury had. I can argue even more. Did you see Furys live gate numbers in the two fight after the first wilder fight? Just terrible.

Do you even know what Skipper apologised for? He apologised for trying to rush the deal. He apologised for not developing a relationship with Dinkle and Haymon. Apologised for being too brash and thinking Wilder would see the opportunity and grab it with both hands. Basically, he’s saying to Winkle and Haymon...”hey dudes, I’m not a bad guy, I won’t bad mouth and expose you like Hearn, let’s keep this door open for the future.”

DAZN isn’t a simple PPV service so everybody gets a flat fee lol AJ’s side would have been a flat fee. As for the UK PPV, why would Wilder get a cut of that when AJ has surpassed one million on four or five difference occasions? His highest UK PPV is just north of 1.5m (twice). If it did 2m then it would be fair to give Wilder the difference, but that’s it. However, that’s just looking at it from the Matchroom/AJ perspective, which is completely legitimate. My personal opinion would be, f&ck it, give Wilder a 35-40% split of the UK PPV. But even Wildettes would cry about that.

And yes, Fury should indeed get the same offer, give or take a few million. However, Fury has network obligations in the US, so there is a few obvious issues there. Wilder had no network obligations and could fight wherever he wanted. As for Fury and the UK PPV, he quite obviously and inarguably would deserve a higher cut than Wilder.

You can’t really talk about Fury’s live gate in a foreign country when Wilder does just as bad and he’s a native lol I can guarantee Fury vs. Schwartz or Wallin would be a sell out anywhere in the UK or Ireland. Even in most countries in Europe, yet Wilder can’t fill half a stadium when fighting his fellow countryman (Breazeale) in his own country. A-side vs. B-side. It’s clear who is who between AJ vs. Wilder AND Fury vs. Wilder.

[greeneye99]

Hearn acts like he's in the driver seat of making this fight. Fight isn't happening on DAZN, Arum would not allow that especially with ESPN wanting to make it a PPV fight. Only way this fight happens is if AJ and Hearn agree to make this a ESPN ppv fight in Vegas.

I bet you're all the way wrong
Lolololol

[Squared.Circle]

Make up your mind.
Cant have it both ways!!

Hoping the 3rd fight comes off...BOOKMARKED.

You know what, f&ck it, 70/30 for Fury. Convincing stoppage within six rounds. Wilder tagged Fury with at least five or six flush right hands (evidence was in the marks on the left side of Fury’s face post fight) that didn’t even budge him. Gypsy King is retaining his titles and keeping the UK as the rulers of the heavyweight division!!!!

[Squared.Circle]

Eddies deals are so crooked he cant make a single fight deal with 2 of his own fighters. (go ask Dillian and AJ)

Completely irrelevant to everything I said but ok lol not sure what an AJ vs. Whyte fight has to do with anything. AJ is currently on a completely different path. Whyte is still focused on, and being avoided by, Wilder and the WBC. Whyte himself has already said he’s had opportunities to go down routes with the other sanctioning bodies bit has stuck with the WBC.