Wilder was on his way to surpassing Wlad

[Marchegiano]

Lol I like how you dismiss his title run from 2006 to 2015 and only use wlad’s 01 to 04 run

I'm comparing their first title runs.

I think it's cute you chose to completely ignore the point about official rankings.

[Slicc]

I'm comparing their first title runs.

I think it's cute you chose to completely ignore the point about official rankings.

You're comparing 1st title runs, but Wilder's 34. His first title run could be his only title run. If Wilder becomes champ again, I highly doubt he'd reign as long as Wlad did, even if he only fights bums.

[GhostofDempsey]

The dog was on his way to catching the rabbit, until he stopped to take a shyt.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Wilder is a bum, he never had any legacy and he will be forgotten.

[JuniorTorres720]

I wouldn't compare him to Wlad because Wlad reigned for over a decade and beat the best available competition in that time while dominating for the most part. Wilder could be on track to become a great even after his defeat to Fury. He hadn't fought a lot of marquee opponents, but if he were to come back and beat Fury and/or beat fighters like Joshua, he could be a great. Wilder hasn't fought marquee names like that, but the way he dominated was impressive to a certain extent.

[emceetns]

You are exactly on point, can not be denied. In my opinion of all the decades I have watched heavyweight boxing i have never been more bored or unexcited than during the Klitscho reign. I like the guy and respected his work ethic, he did nothing for me as a fighter and will never have the urge to watch any highlights of his career. He accomplished a lot but would never beat an Ali Holmes Foreman Lewis Bowe Holyfield Tyson. Vitali is top 5 of all time. He was the man. Not Vlad.

It's a shame that Wlad wasn't born a little earlier or later. He just missed the guys you mentioned and he was finishing up right when Fury, Joshua and Wilder were really getting started. As it stands, he was head and shoulders above a weak era and better competition didn't come along until he was 39-40 years old. Fury was a bad matchup of course but he fought Joshua tooth and nail and I wonder what would have happened if they had fought a few years earlier.

[Armchairhero]

He’s still up there. Wlad lost five times if I remember correctly. He won sixty some odd times and five losses ain’t bad. Wilder won forty some times and lost once so far. I’d say he’s okay.

If I knew how to post pics I’d attach a list of all of wilders opponents and the rankings they had at the time..

it’s a depressing list for any Wilder fan

[Holler]

If I knew how to post pics I’d attach a list of all of wilders opponents and the rankings they had at the time..

it’s a depressing list for any Wilder fan

No pictures but:

Wilder’s Record:

1st Ethan Cox, wasn't ranked
2nd Shannon Gray, wasn't ranked
3rd Richard Greene Jr, wasn't ranked
4th Joseph Rabotte, ranked 393rd in the World
5th Charles Brown, wasn't ranked
6th Kelsey Arnold, wasn't ranked
7th Travis Allen, wasn't ranked
8th Jerry Vaughn, wasn't ranked
9th Ty Cobb, ranked 399th in the Heavyweight World
10th Alvaro Morales, wasn't ranked
11th Dustin Nichols, wasn't ranked
12th Shannon Caudle, wasn't ranked
13th Harold Sconiers, wasn't ranked
14th Dan Sheehan, wasn't ranked
15th DeAndrey Abron, wasn't ranked
16th Reggie Pena, wasn't ranked
17th Damon Reed, ranked 304th in the World
18th Dominique Alexander, wasn't ranked
19th Daniel Cota, ranked 489th in the World
20th David Long, wasn't ranked
21st Marlon Hayes, ranked 368th in the World
22nd Jesse Oltmanns, ranked 492th in the World
23rd Owen Beck, wasn't ranked
24th Kertson Manswell, ranked 310th in the World
25th Damon McCreary, ranked 357th in the World
26th Kelvin Price, wasn't ranked
27th Matthew Greer, ranked 325th in the World
28th Audley Harrison, ranked 136th in the World
29th Siarhei Liakhovich, ranked 43rd in the World
30th Nicolai Firtha, ranked 121nd in the World
31st Malik Scott, ranked 86th in the World
32nd Jason Gavern, ranked 194th in the World
33rd Bermane Stiverne, ranked 4th in the World
34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World
35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World
36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World
37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World
38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World
39th Bermane Stiverne “inactive for two years and UNRANKED at time of fight"
40th Luis Ortiz - ranked 6th (39 years old)

[Marchegiano]

You're comparing 1st title runs, but Wilder's 34. His first title run could be his only title run. If Wilder becomes champ again, I highly doubt he'd reign as long as Wlad did, even if he only fights bums.

If you go back to the origin point of this conflict you'll see my overarching point has to do with ranking and inconsistency with fan acknowledgment.

I didn't set out to prove Wilder has done more in his first title run or 43 fights, that's just what happened.

I set out to prove folks list Wlad's "Top Ten" wins using official rankings from a sanctioning body because if they didn't most of his 'resume' falls apart however they demonize Wilder because he too requires official ranking from a sanctioning body for his resume to be considered top ten.

Also, the claim that Wlad fought the best available is just a lie. David Tua is an active and prime boxer, Lennox lingers, Holy is around, Tyson is around, Tony was there, Ruiz, RJJ was a HW, etc.

And yeah, outside of Tua, which he really has no excuse for ducking, most those names were just hanging out to the past, but, they're still better than the **** show Wlad actually fought.


Klitschko doesn't start to actually fight the best men around until around 09. about 50 fights deep into his career and 3 losses. And again, not so many top ten wins when you don't use official ranking and treat him like folks do Wilder.

[MoneyKasha]

If you go back to the origin point of this conflict you'll see my overarching point has to do with ranking and inconsistency with fan acknowledgment.

I didn't set out to prove Wilder has done more in his first title run or 43 fights, that's just what happened.

I set out to prove folks list Wlad's "Top Ten" wins using official rankings from a sanctioning body because if they didn't most of his 'resume' falls apart however they demonize Wilder because he too requires official ranking from a sanctioning body for his resume to be considered top ten.

Also, the claim that Wlad fought the best available is just a lie. David Tua is an active and prime boxer, Lennox lingers, Holy is around, Tyson is around, Tony was there, Ruiz, RJJ was a HW, etc.

And yeah, outside of Tua, which he really has no excuse for ducking, most those names were just hanging out to the past, but, they're still better than the **** show Wlad actually fought.


Klitschko doesn't start to actually fight the best men around until around 09. about 50 fights deep into his career and 3 losses. And again, not so many top ten wins when you don't use official ranking and treat him like folks do Wilder.

lol Wlad's wins over Byrd (twice) trump anything Wilder has ever done

also Brewster was top 10,Ibragimov was top 10, Tony Thompson was top 10, Chagaev was top 10, Chambers was top 10, Haye was top 10, Povetkin was top 10, Pulev was top 10, Jennings was top 10..

alot more than Wilder ever fought