Wilder was on his way to surpassing Wlad

[MoneyKasha]

Klitschko also holds the record of having defeated the most boxers with an undefeated record, at 11,[clarification needed] and defeated 11 current or former world champions throughout his career. These eleven included Chris Byrd (twice), Francois Botha, Ray Mercer, Lamon Brewster, Samuel Peter (twice), Sultan Ibragimov, Hasim Rahman, Ruslan Chagaev, David Haye, Jean-Marc Mormeck, and Alexander Povetkin. On top of this, he defeated other top heavyweights who did not hold titles but were nonetheless ranked within the top ten by BoxRec during his 2000-2003 and 2006-2015 reigns: Jameel McCline, Tony Thompson (twice), Eddie Chambers, and Kubrat Pulev.[202]

[Armchairhero]

No pictures but:

Yeh that’s the list...

I was a bit shocked when I read it, it’s pitiful

[bojangles1987]

Wilder was nowhere near surpassing Wlad.

[Marchegiano]

lol Wlad's wins over Byrd (twice) trump anything Wilder has ever done

also Brewster was top 10,Ibragimov was top 10, Tony Thompson was top 10, Chagaev was top 10, Chambers was top 10, Haye was top 10, Povetkin was top 10, Pulev was top 10, Jennings was top 10..

alot more than Wilder ever fought

You're going in circles now pal.

[Marchegiano]

Klitschko also holds the record of having defeated the most boxers with an undefeated record, at 11,[clarification needed] and defeated 11 current or former world champions throughout his career. These eleven included Chris Byrd (twice), Francois Botha, Ray Mercer, Lamon Brewster, Samuel Peter (twice), Sultan Ibragimov, Hasim Rahman, Ruslan Chagaev, David Haye, Jean-Marc Mormeck, and Alexander Povetkin. On top of this, he defeated other top heavyweights who did not hold titles but were nonetheless ranked within the top ten by BoxRec during his 2000-2003 and 2006-2015 reigns: Jameel McCline, Tony Thompson (twice), Eddie Chambers, and Kubrat Pulev.[202]

He is not even close.

Bob Fitzsimmons holds the HW record for 0's taken at 33

Fitzs not only defeated 33 unbeaten professional boxers but he retired 28 men as well.



You're spreading misinformation makes me comes off as a Klitschko hater. I like Wlad, but, his top tens are only top tens when you use official rankings, which you yourself refuse to apply equally to Wilder, and, Wlad's not even close to the record for having defeated the most unbeaten boxers.

[chirorickyp]

It's a shame that Wlad wasn't born a little earlier or later. He just missed the guys you mentioned and he was finishing up right when Fury, Joshua and Wilder were really getting started. As it stands, he was head and shoulders above a weak era and better competition didn't come along until he was 39-40 years old. Fury was a bad matchup of course but he fought Joshua tooth and nail and I wonder what would have happened if they had fought a few years earlier.

Totally agree.

[buge]

He is not even close.

Bob Fitzsimmons holds the HW record for 0's taken at 33

Fitzs not only defeated 33 unbeaten professional boxers but he retired 28 men as well.

Come on now, it doesn't count as taking someone's 0 when they also have no victories. The guy was in the 1800s fighting bums off the street who had never fought before. How many wins did Fitzsimmons have over undefeated fighters who had at least 1 victory?

[Marchegiano]

Come on now, it doesn't count as taking someone's 0 when they also have no victories. The guy was in the 1800s fighting bums off the street who had never fought before. How many wins did Fitzsimmons have over undefeated fighters who had at least 1 victory?

I have a thread about it I'm having a hard time getting the forum to pull up but it's got a lot more info and I went out of my way to prove **** so hopefully it'll come up if I find the right words to get search to bring it. Because there's no way I can redo that amount of work in a timely manner.


Debuts on boxrec are not debuts they are men who have no records prior to the fight. Everyone can know X beat Y at Z but if there is no record of the fight it's considered subject and they're put on as debuts.


Walk ons in boxing at the champion level ended in like the 1820s.....way before Bob.


Best to read a book or some such than to use boxrec for the oldens. Boxrec waits just like the rest of us for historians to print books and only updates their records as they are made aware of new findings, so they're not even on top of it when the books come out, it takes them a while

See by those debuts where plenty of them say

Source Matt Donnellson The Irish Champion Peter Maher

? That's a book about Peter not Bob, the author simply did not sus out Bob's foe's records like he had Peter's. Doesn't mean there is not evidence for the fights or strong evidence, just that without the ref's call on paper it's hard to tell a real win from a moral win.

For example, let's say the official verdict for Wilder-Fury one was lost and all we had was us fans speaking about it. It'd be easy to assume Fury won. It'd be fairly easy to figure out if was scored a draw, but, without an official verdict it's not going on boxrec because it is not a proven outcome.

So, read a book, Bob Fitzsimmons didn't jump from debuts to champions and back again.

[MoneyKasha]

He is not even close.

Bob Fitzsimmons holds the HW record for 0's taken at 33

Fitzs not only defeated 33 unbeaten professional boxers but he retired 28 men as well.



You're spreading misinformation makes me comes off as a Klitschko hater. I like Wlad, but, his top tens are only top tens when you use official rankings, which you yourself refuse to apply equally to Wilder, and, Wlad's not even close to the record for having defeated the most unbeaten boxers.

official rankings says Wilder has only fought 4 top 10 opponents

Ortiz (twice) Stiverne once and Fury twice

[Marchegiano]

official rankings says Wilder has only fought 4 top 10 opponents

Ortiz (twice) Stiverne once and Fury twice

What is it you're calling official ranking?

Name, Rank, Outcome:

Stiverne - C - UD

Molina - 9 - KO

Szpilka - 6 - KO

Arreola - 9 - KO

Washington - 10 - KO

Stiverne - 1 - KO

Ortiz - 3 - KO

Fury - 3 - Drawn

Breazeale - 4 - KO

Ortiz - 3 - KO

Fury - 3 - LKO

That's 8 individuals, doubling your list.

Also, that's three names and five fights you have listed while claiming four opponents...I'm confused by your count.


Dispute a ranking and I'll prove they were ranked there officially before Wilder fought them.

Here's a free one:

Szpilka I notice is not on your list, Ortiz, Fury, and Bermane.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160114115604/https://*********.com/rankings-2

In this link you will see the official rankings archived from two days before Wilder-Szpilka.

Artur is ranked 8 by the WBC and 6 by the IBF two days prior to the Wilder fight. That's two official rankings in the top ten, one knocking on the door of the top five.



Pick any name, I promise they're ranked.


Edit- Had Dom written in for Stiverne, that's confusing as hell given I was talking about the otrizx2, furyx2, stiverne once, list....which...he fought Stiverne twice but whatever.