Wilder was on his way to surpassing Wlad

[BoZz]

in legacy......and now that he lost, i don't know where that puts him?

Maybe Wladimir *****

His best win so far was against an 50+ year old Ortiz...he's a bum nothing more

[Marchegiano]

you have no idea what you are talking about


Wlad's opponents who were in the top 10 at the time

Wlad's top 10 opponents:
Schulz
Byrd I
McCline
DaVarryl Williamson
Peter I
Byrd II
Brock
Brewster II
Ibragimov
Thompson I
Rahman
Chagaev
Chambers
Peter II
Haye
Thompson II
Povetkin
Pulev
Fury
Joshua




Wilder's top 10

Stiverne I
Ortiz I
Fury I
Ortiz II
Fury II



Wlad fought alot better people

Well see that's not the truth is it? You're using Wlad's official sanctioning body rankings to justify calling all those many many names top tens while refusing to acknowledge Wilder's full list of official sanctioning body ranked top ten wins.


Like I said before, I don't want to pick Wlad apart to shade him, I want some congruent coverage and consistency with claims. So I'm not going to look for every instance, but, I will make an example of one of them:


Wlad fought DaVarryl in 04

04's rankings:

Vitali Klitschko, Champion

Chris Byrd
John Ruiz
Hasim Rahman
James Toney
Monte Barrett
Andrew Golota
Fres Oquendo
Jameel McCline
Corrie Sanders
Lamon Brewster



No DaVarryl, not even Wlad. Because the two men there on the very bottom just whooped his ass in 03 and again in 04 so Wladimir Klitschko wasn't even a top ten himself let alone DaVarryl Williamson unless you use official rankings.





Is that Wilder's full list of officially ranked top ten competition? Then my friend you are a hypocrite and inconsistent with your reasoning and criteria.




If any are interested these men were official ranked:

Stiverne
Molina
Szpilka
Arreola
Washington
Ortiz
Breazeale

from 01 - 04 Wlad was KO'd twice, both times by unranked men

from 2015-2020 Wilder was KO'd once by the highest rated HW outside of himself.


The list in the quote is misleading. From the point when Wlad won his first title to the point when he was rebuilding his career successfully after his losses is 01-04

In that time he beat the following men from the quoted list:

Schulz
Byrd
McCline
Williamson


Wilder's faced more top tens then Wlad had.

[Marchegiano]

...

Also, no reason to PM me, twice, with the same exact post as the public one.

[REDEEMER]

Well see that's not the truth is it? You're using Wlad's official sanctioning body rankings to justify calling all those many many names top tens while refusing to acknowledge Wilder's full list of official sanctioning body ranked top ten wins.


Like I said before, I don't want to pick Wlad apart to shade him, I want some congruent coverage and consistency with claims. So I'm not going to look for every instance, but, I will make an example of one of them:


Wlad fought DaVarryl in 04

04's rankings:

Vitali Klitschko, Champion

Chris Byrd
John Ruiz
Hasim Rahman
James Toney
Monte Barrett
Andrew Golota
Fres Oquendo
Jameel McCline
Corrie Sanders
Lamon Brewster



No DaVarryl, not even Wlad. Because the two men there on the very bottom just whooped his ass in 03 and again in 04 so Wladimir Klitschko wasn't even a top ten himself let alone DaVarryl Williamson unless you use official rankings.





Is that Wilder's full list of officially ranked top ten competition? Then my friend you are a hypocrite and inconsistent with your reasoning and criteria.




If any are interested these men were official ranked:

Stiverne
Molina
Szpilka
Arreola
Washington
Ortiz
Breazeale

from 01 - 04 Wlad was KO'd twice, both times by unranked men

from 2015-2020 Wilder was KO'd once by the highest rated HW outside of himself.


The list in the quote is misleading. From the point when Wlad won his first title to the point when he was rebuilding his career successfully after his losses is 01-04

In that time he beat the following men from the quoted list:

Schulz
Byrd
McCline
Williamson


Wilder's faced more top tens then Wlad had.

Wilder has only defended his belt against two top 10 guys in the Transnational rankings the rankings you vouched for and falsely accused me of not following l

You’re out of your depth here . You’re going to get continually shredded on here even more then the Fury fight trying to pick apart Klitschko resume in favor of guy who has defeated zero opponents that didn’t accomplish anything at heavyweight. Being out of touch with reality must be an addiction ? The moment Wilder fought a non PBC guy he lost , twice Ha

[Marchegiano]

Wilder has only defended his belt against two top 10 guys in the Transnational rankings the rankings you vouched for and falsely accused me of not following l

You’re out of your depth here . You’re going to get continually shredded on here even more then the Fury fight trying to pick apart Klitschko resume in favor of guy who has defeated zero opponents that didn’t accomplish anything at heavyweight. Being out of touch with reality must be an addiction ? The moment Wilder fought a non PBC guy he lost , twice Ha

"you vouched for" no, no I didn't. I talked **** while Wilder was on top of their ranking too.

You're too ****ing ****** to talk to me. Once again, i'm going to say find the post then and once again you're just going to make **** up and recant your feelings....because the posts you claim I've made don't exist....they never do.

Nothing relative to what I said here. Nothing relative to what i've said anywhere. Just a bunch of hot air from a blowhard who has never made a single quality post.






Find the post where I praise, vouch, back in anyway the TBRB, or detract in some way from the point I just made, or shut the **** up while grown ass mens it speaking.

[andocom]

I actually place Joshua's resume above Wilder and Fury's because he has beaten more top-10 guys. I said Fury and Wilder's resumes are more top-heavy because they have fought each other but many top opponents besides that.

Yeah I agree, it was the part about Wilder's resume being top heavy that I'm not really sure about, as I don't think losing or being gifted a draw adds much to a resume.

I think Wilder's camp thought they could get Fury before he was ready, it back fired and they were saved by house fighter scoring, after that they were committed to the rematch as the only way to salvage reputation. Then we saw what a fit Fury did to Wilder.

So what is Wilder's best achievement? A gifted draw against a guy who wasn't back at 100% or Ortiz? I don't see either of those as building much of a legacy in themselves.

[LoadedWraps]

Yeah I agree, it was the part about Wilder's resume being top heavy that I'm not really sure about, as I don't think losing or being gifted a draw adds much to a resume.

I think Wilder's camp thought they could get Fury before he was ready, it back fired and they were saved by house fighter scoring, after that they were committed to the rematch as the only way to salvage reputation. Then we saw what a fit Fury did to Wilder.

So what is Wilder's best achievement? A gifted draw against a guy who wasn't back at 100% or Ortiz? I don't see either of those as building much of a legacy in themselves.

So far, his best achievement is earning a draw against the top fighter of his era, and a future ATG.

[chirorickyp]

lol at worse than Wilder

Throughout his career, Wladimir defeated 23 boxers for the world heavyweight championship, breaking an all-time record that belonged to Joe Louis. Klitschko holds several historical records, including the longest combined world championship reign in heavyweight history at 4,383 days; the most wins in world title bouts in the international expansion heavyweight history at 25; the most wins in unified title bouts and the longest unified championship reign in professional boxing history at 15 title bouts and 14 consecutive defenses respectively; and has the second most total successful title defenses of any heavyweight boxer with 23 (including his first reign as WBO champion), behind Joe Louis (25) and ahead of Larry Holmes (20) and Muhammad Ali (19). Klitschko also holds the record for the most wins and defenses of the unified/undisputed world championship across professional boxing and MMA.[citation needed] Klitschko fought in 29 heavyweight title fights, more than any heavyweight champion in the sport's history.

Klitschko also holds the record of having defeated the most boxers with an undefeated record, at 11,[clarification needed] and defeated 11 current or former world champions throughout his career. These eleven included Chris Byrd (twice), Francois Botha, Ray Mercer, Lamon Brewster, Samuel Peter (twice), Sultan Ibragimov, Hasim Rahman, Ruslan Chagaev, David Haye, Jean-Marc Mormeck, and Alexander Povetkin. On top of this, he defeated other top heavyweights who did not hold titles but were nonetheless ranked within the top ten by BoxRec during his 2000-2003 and 2006-2015 reigns: Jameel McCline, Tony Thompson (twice), Eddie Chambers, and Kubrat Pulev.[200]

You are exactly on point, can not be denied. In my opinion of all the decades I have watched heavyweight boxing i have never been more bored or unexcited than during the Klitscho reign. I like the guy and respected his work ethic, he did nothing for me as a fighter and will never have the urge to watch any highlights of his career. He accomplished a lot but would never beat an Ali Holmes Foreman Lewis Bowe Holyfield Tyson. Vitali is top 5 of all time. He was the man. Not Vlad.

[Laligalaliga]

you have no idea what you are talking about


Wlad's opponents who were in the top 10 at the time

Wlad's top 10 opponents:
Schulz
Byrd I
McCline
DaVarryl Williamson
Peter I
Byrd II
Brock
Brewster II
Ibragimov
Thompson I
Rahman
Chagaev
Chambers
Peter II
Haye
Thompson II
Povetkin
Pulev
Fury
Joshua




Wilder's top 10

Stiverne I
Ortiz I
Fury I
Ortiz II
Fury II



Wlad fought alot better people

Its obvious.
The difference is clear.

[MoneyKasha]

Well see that's not the truth is it? You're using Wlad's official sanctioning body rankings to justify calling all those many many names top tens while refusing to acknowledge Wilder's full list of official sanctioning body ranked top ten wins.


Like I said before, I don't want to pick Wlad apart to shade him, I want some congruent coverage and consistency with claims. So I'm not going to look for every instance, but, I will make an example of one of them:


Wlad fought DaVarryl in 04

04's rankings:

Vitali Klitschko, Champion

Chris Byrd
John Ruiz
Hasim Rahman
James Toney
Monte Barrett
Andrew Golota
Fres Oquendo
Jameel McCline
Corrie Sanders
Lamon Brewster



No DaVarryl, not even Wlad. Because the two men there on the very bottom just whooped his ass in 03 and again in 04 so Wladimir Klitschko wasn't even a top ten himself let alone DaVarryl Williamson unless you use official rankings.





Is that Wilder's full list of officially ranked top ten competition? Then my friend you are a hypocrite and inconsistent with your reasoning and criteria.




If any are interested these men were official ranked:

Stiverne
Molina
Szpilka
Arreola
Washington
Ortiz
Breazeale

from 01 - 04 Wlad was KO'd twice, both times by unranked men

from 2015-2020 Wilder was KO'd once by the highest rated HW outside of himself.


The list in the quote is misleading. From the point when Wlad won his first title to the point when he was rebuilding his career successfully after his losses is 01-04

In that time he beat the following men from the quoted list:

Schulz
Byrd
McCline
Williamson


Wilder's faced more top tens then Wlad had.

Lol I like how you dismiss his title run from 2006 to 2015 and only use wlad’s 01 to 04 run