Comments Thread For: Wilder - Bury The Suit and The Excuse, Don't Bury The Fighter

[Butt stuff]

... I usually assess these guys when they are coming from a loss... not when they are hyping a fight to come...

Ok I’m guessing you don’t watch UK broadcasts with Bellew doing commentary and breakdowns.

[Ant1979]

I don't expect Al Haymon to react "after" a big loss... but on the contrary...

Fair play, but he certainly reacted after the big loss of Ruiz to AJ. Without a change in direction Wilder's back to square one.

Then there's the psychological impact to consider not to mention the inevitable improvements Fury will make in a 2nd camp learning the Kronk style.

[MDPopescu]

I don't expect Al Haymon to react "after" a big loss... but on the contrary...

Fair play, but he certainly reacted after the big loss of Ruiz to AJ. Without a change in direction Wilder's back to square one.

Then there's the psychological impact to consider not to mention the inevitable improvements Fury will make in a 2nd camp learning the Kronk style.

... Now, it's simple: Wilder was out-boxed by Ortiz in the first fight... he was out-boxed by Fury in the first fight... he was out-boxed by Ortiz in the second fight... Therefore: Al Haymon should have tried to do something about this prior to Fury 2 fight... (Wilder is on top of his business, right?)

[MDPopescu]

Ok I’m guessing you don’t watch UK broadcasts with Bellew doing commentary and breakdowns.

I see... I understand... OK...

[-Kev-]

That’s boxing. His detractors are going to say all that, but really Fury is just too good and too big.

I’m not even mad at any anti-Wilder fan calling Wilder any names, i’d do the exact same thing for fighters I don’t like as well when they lose. It’s fun imo. And right now it’s Wilder haters turn to talk sh/t, they earned it.

And honestly his excuses have been shameful, so i’m in no mood to defend him. All I can say is that I will be rooting for him in the third fight, but his reaction to his loss has been downright shameful. While I will be rooting for him in the third fight, I fully expect Fury to use his size advantage and wrestle Wilder into submission. Wilder might be too stubborn to bulk up to 260-270lbs and thinks his 220-230lb body can really take on a giant like Fury.

[Ant1979]

... Now, it's simple: Wilder was out-boxed by Ortiz in the first fight... he was out-boxed by Fury in the first fight... he was out-boxed by Ortiz in the second fight... Therefore: Al Haymon should have tried to do something about this prior to Fury 2 fight... (Wilder is on top of his business, right?)

True enough, but critically in each case he either won by KO or drew with knockdowns.

Now he's lost, lost badly and been battered. The right hands landed (there was a few) with little to no effect which may force Haymon's hand because if he loses again PBC are out of the heavyweight picture.

Personally I think Wilder will always prefer to stick with Deas and his home comforts. Haymon's not daft, he'll know that too. So interesting to see how this pans out...

[Vinnykin]

That’s boxing. His detractors are going to say all that, but really Fury is just too good and too big.

I’m not even mad at any anti-Wilder fan calling Wilder any names, i’d do the exact same thing for fighters I don’t like as well when they lose. It’s fun imo. And right now it’s Wilder haters turn to talk sh/t, they earned it.

And honestly his excuses have been shameful, so i’m in no mood to defend him. All I can say is that I will be rooting for him in the third fight, but his reaction to his loss has been downright shameful. While I will be rooting for him in the third fight, I fully expect Fury to use his size advantage and wrestle Wilder into submission. Wilder might be too stubborn to bulk up to 260-270lbs and thinks his 220-230lb body can really take on a giant like Fury.

That was all good until the end....... Wilder bulking up will not help him..... his style is only good against people who stand off him and stay in range of his right-hand.

Pressure fighters with heart and a chin will always beat Wilder..... hes too lanky and weak to deal with it.

I got laughed at for saying Chisora would beat him ages ago..... no one could see it.

I would ask any one now..... do you think Wilder could cope with a motivated Chisora coming at him non-stop? if he doesn't land that right he is in deep waters in that hypothetical.

[MDPopescu]

... Now, it's simple: Wilder was out-boxed by Ortiz in the first fight... he was out-boxed by Fury in the first fight... he was out-boxed by Ortiz in the second fight... Therefore: Al Haymon should have tried to do something about this prior to Fury 2 fight... (Wilder is on top of his business, right?)

True enough, but critically in each case he either won by KO or drew with knockdowns.

Now he's lost, lost badly and been battered. The right hands landed (there was a few) with little to no effect which may force Haymon's hand because if he loses again PBC are out of the heavyweight picture.

Personally I think Wilder will always prefer to stick with Deas and his home comforts. Haymon's not daft, he'll know that too. So interesting to see how this pans out...

... My key formula was "out-boxed"... and when one is "out-boxed" several times in a row, that one needs change and upgrading... but whatever...

[Toffee]

Article misses the point.

It's not that people can't respect that his ability has taken him a long way. It's that people can't respect that it took him way further than was deserved. I respect him beating Ortiz. I don't respect him doing it as a title defence.

Just say it to yourself again. 5 year reigning heavyweight champion.

And he did it without beating anyone. PBC should consider that to be their greatest achievement. WBC should be disgusted that they were complicit and allowed their belt to be used in such a disrespectful way.

Worst reigning champion in history.

[Ant1979]

... My key formula was "out-boxed"... and when one is "out-boxed" several times in a row, that one needs change and upgrading... but whatever...

I'm not arguing with you. My point is Wilder is incapable of change/upgrading which makes me wonder if Haymon will make that decision for him as he did Ruiz, that all.