Comments Thread For: Wilder - Bury The Suit and The Excuse, Don't Bury The Fighter

[sterling]

All athletes from all arenas have natural gifts and natural weaknesses. And this applies mentally as well as physically.

Wilder has progressed incredibly far considering he's clearly never prioritised his weaknesses. So much so he only ever wins a round of boxing against a quality opponent if he scores a knockdown or knockout which his gift clearly allows him to do.

To say he's brought this on himself is stating the obvious and the excuses are nothing more than a result of being severely battered into denial - that will subside over time.

It's like the guy in the gym who naturally has genetically gifted arms but no legs. All he does is train arms and skip leg day. Then he decides to compete and comes immediately unstuck the first time he's compared to a well rounded/proportioned physique.

His own power blinded him and by being surrounded by 'yes men' didn't help him knuckle down on his footwork, defence, jab, upper body/head movement etc etc etc etc

I agree with this.

[15 Rounds again]

I am glad that you are saying this which topples the argument that Tyson is an all-time great and belongs on everyone's P4P list for defeating a limited, overachieving and overrating bum fighter with a very weak resume who cannot box. So thanks for clearing that up for us.

Also, as far as Dillian Whyte and Anthony Joshua is concerned; He doesn't owe them shit. They both received offers from him and they both turned them down. The only man to have ever accepted a Wilder offer was the only man to have who ever defeated him and that was Tyson Fury.

The other two never wanted any smoke from Deontay Wilder because they both knew that they would lose.

First off, I agree, Tyson Fury has more work to do to get to the level of recognition of say, Lennox. 100% agree.

Secondly, your 'he made them offers' bs is simply not good enough.
Mandatories are mandatories - you're supposed to fight them. He started laying down conditions like "fight Ortiz and then maybe I'll fight you" and the WBC got paid to go along with this. Explain how Whyte has been mandatory for over 2 years, approaching 3 years. A champion should fight the best.
His ****** 50M 'offer's to Joshua has been debunked and was not refused anyway - they asked to see the terms and conditions and were told to agree without seeing any lol.
As if that is real. It was simply a PR stunt. AND EVEN IF IT WAS REAL HOW LONG CAN THAT REMAIN AN EXCUSE? He's hardly lifted a finger to try and unify. The guy is a full.of s**t fraud whose team spends over $1.5 million annually on paying commentators, writers, the WBC etc to raise his weak ass profile and try to create a positive image for a hyped limited fighter. Look at the timing of Fox's airing of Ortiz 2, do you think that's a coincidence? HE IS A HYPE JOB.
He won't fight Whyte or Joshua because he is a fake coward ass liar.
The good news is he's f****d now.
Another thrashing beatdown by Fury, or step aside and let actual men fight. Hope his costume is lighter for Fury 3, I might get to see him get pounded for a couple extra rounds.
Hate the guy and his PR team.

[MDPopescu]

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His own power blinded him and by being surrounded by 'yes men' didn't help him knuckle down on his footwork, defence, jab, upper body/head movement etc etc etc etc

I agree with this.

... but please don't tell us that Al Haymon is one of these 'yes men'... Wilder was/is one of Haymon's main assets... right?

[champion4ever]

First off, I agree, Tyson Fury has more work to do to get to the level of recognition of say, Lennox. 100% agree.

Secondly, your 'he made them offers' bs is simply not good enough.
Mandatories are mandatories - you're supposed to fight them. He started laying down conditions like "fight Ortiz and then maybe I'll fight you" and the WBC got paid to go along with this. Explain how Whyte has been mandatory for over 2 years, approaching 3 years. A champion should fight the best.
His ****** 50M 'offer's to Joshua has been debunked and was not refused anyway - they asked to see the terms and conditions and were told to agree without seeing any lol.
As if that is real. It was simply a PR stunt. AND EVEN IF IT WAS REAL HOW LONG CAN THAT REMAIN AN EXCUSE? He's hardly lifted a finger to try and unify. The guy is a full.of s**t fraud whose team spends over $1.5 million annually on paying commentators, writers, the WBC etc to raise his weak ass profile and try to create a positive image for a hyped limited fighter. Look at the timing of Fox's airing of Ortiz 2, do you think that's a coincidence? HE IS A HYPE JOB.
He won't fight Whyte or Joshua because he is a fake coward ass liar.
The good news is he's f****d now.
Another thrashing beatdown by Fury, or step aside and let actual men fight. Hope his costume is lighter for Fury 3, I might get to see him get pounded for a couple extra rounds.
Hate the guy and his PR team.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between being a No. 1 ranked contender and a mandatory challenger. You are absolutely correct.

Dillian Whyte has been the WBC's No. 1 ranked heavyweight contender for several years now but yet refused to fight any of its final eliminators which is the reason why he has remained static up until now.

In 2017, he refused a Final eliminator bout against Dominic Breazeale. In 2018, he refused final eliminator bouts against both Luis Ortiz (WBC) and Kubrat Pulev (IBF).

Now as far as AJ is concerned; The $50 Mil offer from Deontay Wilder to Anthony Joshua was legit. It has been confirmed by many sources that the money was there but yet still Joshua refused to fight.

In addition, he yet still refused to fight Wilder again in the U.K. for a flat fee and with no guarantee after Deontay Wilder agreed to all of his terms and conditions.

[Butt stuff]

... This was Bellew's post on Wilder's vid on Twitter:

You have everything at your disposal and have the heart just concentrate on the boxing! This isn’t a fight in the coliseum it’s a 12 round BOXING match.. 99.9% of boxers lose! The good ones learn from it and bounce back.. Accept it and move on. Good luck with your preparation!

— Tony Bellew (@TonyBellew) February 29, 2020

That’s ironic coming from hyperbolic Bellew

[Ant1979]

... but please don't tell us that Al Haymon is one of these 'yes men'... Wilder was/is one of Haymon's main assets... right?

Interesting this, Haymon insisted on Ruiz parting company with his head trainer after the AJ rematch. I wonder if he'll do the same to Wilder?

[MDPopescu]

That’s ironic coming from hyperbolic Bellew

... and what was "hyperbolic" in Bellew's post above?...

[MDPopescu]

Interesting this, Haymon insisted on Ruiz parting company with his head trainer after the AJ rematch. I wonder if he'll do the same to Wilder?

I don't expect Al Haymon to react "after" a big loss... but on the contrary...

[Butt stuff]

... and what was "hyperbolic" in Bellew's post above?...

Nothing, but if you’ve ever seen any interviews with Tony you’ll know what I mean. Dude is dramatic AF, just like Wilder.

[MDPopescu]

Nothing, but if you’ve ever seen any interviews with Tony you’ll know what I mean. Dude is dramatic AF, just like Wilder.

... I usually assess these guys when they are coming from a loss... not when they are hyping a fight to come...

(later edit: I was digging deep in Wilder's vid message on Twitter in order to find something "positive"... I've found something and I've posted here... but now look!)...