Does anyone else think Ortiz took a dive in the 1st Wilder fight?

[GhostofDempsey]

No it wouldnt, it could happen in whatever rd the powers that be say it happens in.

Everyone knows that fight and the Jennings fight which was much more obvious was a dive.

A fight fixer isn’t going to risk a freak injury by the guy they want to win by making the fight go into the late rounds. Ortiz was a hype job. Never proven, never beat anyone noteworthy. He was marketed and hyped as a beast so it would look more impressive when Wilder beat him.

[emceetns]

I mean, he was pretty much dominating the entire fight.

Then all of a sudden gets whacked with a shot that didn't look too damaging and he's flailing around on the floor.

Looked fishy to me, I think Big Gus took the dive money for his daughter's health issues personally.

There are a lot less painful ways to take a dive. Also, Ortiz got dropped in the 5th round so why would he get up and rally in the 7th round if he was supposed to lose on purpose?

[Legends456]

I think it was legit. Ortiz does not have a good build for boxing. He kind of has my build. He’s relatively strong but doesn’t have the long reaching arms needed for heavyweight — so no real snap on his punches. He’s not obese by any stretch, but he also has a bit of a belly that never really trims down no matter how much he trains — this slows his movements by adding useless weight just below his center of gravity. He also has heavy legs due to age and couldn’t keep up his output. Wilder kept his feet and weathered that storm, and wore him down in the later rounds with an accumulation of punches. Hence, the “knockout shot” didn’t need to be spectacular, much the same way as Kovalev’s jab that put Yarde over. By that point, he was done — his health bar was at 1%.

[Spray_resistant]

There are a lot less painful ways to take a dive. Also, Ortiz got dropped in the 5th round so why would he get up and rally in the 7th round if he was supposed to lose on purpose?

Maybe he was told what rd to go down in and it wasn't time yet.

Are you saying fixed fights don't happen with alot of money on the line?

How does Ortiz winning benefit the market

[Spray_resistant]

A fight fixer isn’t going to risk a freak injury by the guy they want to win by making the fight go into the late rounds. Ortiz was a hype job. Never proven, never beat anyone noteworthy. He was marketed and hyped as a beast so it would look more impressive when Wilder beat him.

These guys are in a boxing match, its just as risky from the first to the last bell lol

[emceetns]

Maybe he was told what rd to go down in and it wasn't time yet.

Are you saying fixed fights don't happen with alot of money on the line?

How does Ortiz winning benefit the market

I don't know the inner workings of the boxing industry to say one way or the other but I assume that big money fights can be fixed since it's happened in the past.

However, that doesn't mean I automatically assume that's the case just because I don't like the winner.

We can always come up with conspiracy theories but there is also the possibility that Wilder simply won the fight by catching Ortiz with the same right hand he catches everybody with.

If Ortiz had won then I imagine there would have actually been a demand for the rematch we ended up getting anyway.

[champion4ever]

Fuck no! He nearly knocked Deontay's ass out in the seventh round of that fight.

[Monzon99]

No, 40 year old fighters don’t wait until the 10th round to take a dive. It would have happened early to middle rounds.

They don't want to make it that obvious.

Oscar waited to dive for Hopkins.

Moorer waited to dive for Foreman.

[GhostofDempsey]

They don't want to make it that obvious.

Oscar waited to dive for Hopkins.

Moorer waited to dive for Foreman.

Wilder almost got slept in that fight. Like I said, dives don’t happen in the late rounds, especially by old fighters. A seasoned pro may carry a guy but we are talking about two B-rate fighters here, neither of them has the talent to carry the other.

[famicommander]

Ortiz got up from two big knockdowns before he finally was stopped on the third, and he threw a massive series of heavy shots in the 7th that could've resulted in a stoppage if one or two more of them had landed.