Lets be honest Wilder and Fury are both very mediocre

[QueensburyRules]

Pretty lousy fighters compared to past guys at the top of the HW division.

One guy hasn't improved at all looks like he stepped into a boxing gym 6 months ago making a career off of a hard right hand.

Another guy who is a clunky awkward pillow puncher with decent athleticism for his size but just the very basic skills.

- -U no very spray resistant.

[emceetns]

Wilder would knock out Tyson and Ali, yes he's not that skilled but when he lands, he lands big. Fury would make Tyson look like a sparring partner and beat Ali comfortably. His hardest fight would be Lewis, but he'd beat him too. Stop overrating these old guys. Mike Tyson's resume is trash, and he lost bad every time he fought someone with a pulse. Nash out.

Let's not underrate "these old guys" either. A fighter's career doesn't take place in a vacuum where they are the same age from beginning to end.

Tyson lost to Evander Holyfield (no shame in that) in 1996-1997 and Lennox Lewis in 2002 (no shame in that either). He was essentially a shell of himself after he came out of prison in 1995 and we all know about the upset loss against Buster Douglas in 1990. The Douglas fight was a perfect storm of sorts as Tyson wasn't at his best and Buster fought the fight of his life.

Iron Mike was at his best from 1986-1989, which was a little too late for a prime Larry Holmes and a little before Holyfield and Lewis emerged as top heavyweights.

(Tyson beat Holmes in '88 but Holmes came back to win significant fights in the 90's so Larry wasn't completely shot like everyone says)

As for the matchup itself, yes Deontay Wilder could probably knock out anyone in history with that big right hand. The problem with Tyson is that he was extremely hard to catch with even a jab when he was at his absolute best. Wilder would look to establish range by pawing with the left jab but Tyson (of the late 80's) wouldn't just stand in front of Deontay. He would bob and weave his way in and then attack Wilder's body with hooks so he could bring his head down in range for the right uppercut. Wilder needs space to step into his right hand and Tyson wouldn't give it to him. Also, Deontay fights at a slow pace so I don't think he would test Tyson's stamina either.

I do think that Tyson Fury would be a tough matchup for Iron Mike but Lennox Lewis actually did well against other tall fighters.

[Boxing Goat]

Pretty lousy fighters compared to past guys at the top of the HW division.

One guy hasn't improved at all looks like he stepped into a boxing gym 6 months ago making a career off of a hard right hand.

Another guy who is a clunky awkward pillow puncher with decent athleticism for his size but just the very basic skills.

Let's REALLY be honest and say that if you really think Wilder and Fury are mediocre, both with their undefeated title fight records, then you don't know the first thing about BOXING.

[PRINCEKOOL]

As a boxing fan i watch Wilder and cringe. How the **** did we get to this point where a fighter so skill less is viewed as one of the best. ****ing butterbean was more skilled than this guy.

It is like tuning into the Olympics, and watching swimmers who cannot really perform the stroke techniques correctly.

Deontay Wilder has the ability to learn, I honestly believe? He chose not to etc I have never before seen a fighter so obsessed with his own power. Wilder was a pretty high level basketball player so he has the innate co-ordination to transfer into learning the fundamentals 'I just don't think he cares that much'.

Dangerous fighter but head to head, he is a terrible fighter to back against the past greats 'I am not a big Tyson Fury supporter, but at-least you can match him against past greats' with a little bit of a debate.

[Boxing Goat]

As a boxing fan i watch Wilder and cringe. How the **** did we get to this point where a fighter so skill less is viewed as one of the best. ****ing butterbean was more skilled than this guy.

You just don't know what you are looking at

[sicko]

VERY Much So! Put AJ in their as well

This ERA I don't see "GREAT" and I've seen A LOT OF GREATS so forgive me if not as SIMPLE as a lot of current boxing fans who really haven't been watching boxing long so Ignorance Is Bliss for them, they just don't know better so they kinda just gravitate to today's fighters try to label them "GREAT" when in reality the really haven't accomplished that much even in a WEAK ERA

One thing about Wlad and Vitali, in their "Weak ERA" those guys took on any and everybody. It was times when they took Less Money to fight certain guys just to make a statement.

Sure fighters need to be paid for what they do absolutely it is a dangerous fight! HOWEVER, like Klitchko Brothers, like Lennox Lewis, sometimes you gotta have those Statement Fights that fans want to see but they may not make as much vs this or that guy compared to if they acted like Male Divas like this ERA in which everybody THINK they're Mayweather and THINK they're the A Side and even when they're the A SIDE they're so greedy that they don't want to give quality opponents whatever they want to make the big fights fans want to see

[Monzon99]

Yes they are both protected fraud illusions. Fury is far from his awesome Klitschko beating form ,he's just a pretender now.

The fact that both ducked Joshua last year for career high jackpot purses, to fight hired patsies for peanuts is your smoking gun. Wilder and Fury are protected fraud pretenders now. Trying to steal easy money instead of daring to be great.

[Monzon99]

All roads lead to Joshua. The longer Fury and Wilder keep ducking AJ, the more blatantly obvious it is they are frauds.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Mike Tyson wouldn`t land a single punch on Fury`s head.

[Marchegiano]

I'd favor both Wilder and Fury over the following HW champions without much if any hesitation:

1. Corbett
2. Maher
3. (either) Sharkey
4. Hart
5. Willard
6. Tunney
7. Schmeling
8. Braddock
9. Carnera
10. Baer
11. Patterson
12. Johansson
13. (either)Spinks
14. Coetzee
15. Damiani
16. Bentt
17. Seldon
18. Bruno
19. Akinwande
20. (either)Klitschko
21. Byrd
22. (either)Ruiz
23. Rahman
24. Jones (at HW )
25. Sanders
26. Brewster
27. Valuev
28. Liakhovich
29. Maskaev
30. Chagaev
31. Ibragimov
32. Peter
33. Haye
34. Povetkin
35. Stiverne
36. Martin
37. Browne
38. Parker
39. Charr

Here's the thing, even if you liked k2 or Patterson or some such, close to 40 HW champions from 1880 to the present day are not worth what Wilder and Fury are worth in the ring. They shouldn't be downplayed.