Loma beats a guy moving up 2 divisions, gets called #1 P4P. Canelo moves up 2........

[ShaneMosleySr]

Bivol is considered a top light heavyweight because he dominates all of his competitors.

Kovalev is 4-4 in his last 8 fights and has been knocked out 3 times. He’s clearly shot.

Canelo Alvarez moving up and beating Kovalev was impressive. Alvarez is clearly a very good boxer. It just isn’t as impressive as people claim because Kovalev is shot. Beating GGG in a third fight or any other champion from 160 to 175 would have been more impressive than beating Kovalev.

I don’t consider Canelo Alvarez number one p4p because he has close fights in every big fight. Almost all of them could have been a draw or have gone the other way.

If you consider Alvarez number one p4p, I get it and I won’t argue.

I was just explaining the following to you:

Lomachenko is considered number one p4p by many because of his overall resume, not just his win over Rigondeaux.

Canelo Alvarez moved up one division to fight Kovalev, not two.

Kovalev is shot.

So Bivol is considered a top light heavyweight when his best win is Pascal.

But Kovalev beating Alvarez who also beat Pascal didn't mean anything and kovalev wasn't a credible champion anymore. Kovalev was so washed up despite having a significant win at 175 in 2019, which was better than anything bivol did who many considered to be top 2 in the division. Canelo, a middleweight, going up to 175 and beating kovalev isn't impressive and worthy of #1 p4p status, although no one else on the list has a win on the same level.

Explain this to me

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[Vlad_]

GODNELO moves up 2 divisions and beats a champ, then people come up with excuses as to why he isn't #1 p4p.

Someone explain this logic

Pathetic

Nah, you're just a bitch. Even Loma himself didn't want the credit for making Rigo quit, because he knew Rigo was smaller.

Canelo moved up and fought a damaged Kovalev who showed up for a payday and refused to even throw a proper jab, let alone trying to win.

[Sweet Scions]

What win on Loma's resume is as good as Canelo jumping up 2 divisions and beating Kovalev?

Inform us

The obvious point is that Loma and Canelo's respective "industry expert" placements in the p4p rankings stem from more than just this one thing (ur durr beating Kovalev) that you have arbitrarily made the measuring stick (e.g. tying that one other guy for winning a title in fewest number of pro fights, becoming 3 div champ in record time etc) whether you agree with their subjective reasoning in the aggregate or not. The whole premise is idiotic.

[mcdonalds]

Bivol is considered a top light heavyweight because he dominates all of his competitors.

Kovalev is 4-4 in his last 8 fights and has been knocked out 3 times. He’s clearly shot.

Canelo Alvarez moving up and beating Kovalev was impressive. Alvarez is clearly a very good boxer. It just isn’t as impressive as people claim because Kovalev is shot. Beating GGG in a third fight or any other champion from 160 to 175 would have been more impressive than beating Kovalev.

I don’t consider Canelo Alvarez number one p4p because he has close fights in every big fight. Almost all of them could have been a draw or have gone the other way.

If you consider Alvarez number one p4p, I get it and I won’t argue.

I was just explaining the following to you:

Lomachenko is considered number one p4p by many because of his overall resume, not just his win over Rigondeaux.

Canelo Alvarez moved up one division to fight Kovalev, not two.

Kovalev is shot.

So Bivol is a top 2 light heavweight when his best win is Pascal. A "Shot" Kovalev beat Alvarez who beat Pascal. Canelo then jumped up and beat a "shot" kovalev who actually had a better and more recent significant win in comparison to Bivol. How does that work?

What win on Loma's resume is as good as Canelo jumping up 2 division, from 160 to 175, and beating a champ in Kovalev?

Answer these questions

[Larry the boss]

I didn’t realize you were taking about Lomachenko beating Rigondeaux. No one claims Lomachenko is number one p4p for beating Rigodeaux.

The reason Canelo’s light heavyweight run isn’t that impressive is because he moved up one division to fight Kovalev. 2 of his 5 fights prior to Kovalev happened at super middleweight. Also, he fought Kovalev. Kovalev won his title by beating Igor Mikhalkin. Kovalev was 4-3 in his 7 fights before the loss to Canelo. He’s now 4-4 in his past 8, with 3 knockout losses. He’s shot.

that is not true at all, he defended it against him

[pillowfists98]

Canelo moving up 2 divisions to beat Kovalev was one of the biggest wins of the last decade. There are a lot of fighters who won't even face the best guys in their own weight class let alone 2 weight divisions above. Thats why Canelo is P4P #1.

[mcdonalds]

The obvious point is that Loma and Canelo's respective "industry expert" placements in the p4p rankings stem from more than just this one thing (ur durr beating Kovalev) that you have arbitrarily made the measuring stick (e.g. tying that one other guy for winning a title in fewest number of pro fights, becoming 3 div champ in record time etc) whether you agree with their subjective reasoning in the aggregate or not. The whole premise is idiotic.

So in other words, you can't name a win on loma's resume that compares?

[RetroSpeed05]

Loma was only a 3/1 favorite over little Rigo and yet Canelo was a huge 7/1 favorite over the scary big Kovalev, makes you think......

[mcdonalds]

Nah, you're just a bitch. Even Loma himself didn't want the credit for making Rigo quit, because he knew Rigo was smaller.

Canelo moved up and fought a damaged Kovalev who showed up for a payday and refused to even throw a proper jab, let alone trying to win.

Kovalev was "damaged" and "shot" according to you guys but had a better and more recent significant win in comparison to the consensus top two 175 pounder in the world, Bivol.

How does this make any sense?