Loma beats a guy moving up 2 divisions, gets called #1 P4P. Canelo moves up 2........

[Vlad_]

Kovalev was "damaged" and "shot" according to you guys but had a better and more recent significant win in comparison to the consensus top two 175 pounder in the world, Bivol.

How does this make any sense?

Kovalev didn't get the rest and training needed after the Yarde fight. He came to survive. Not win. He just didn't want to miss the opportunity to collect his biggest payout ever.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Bivol is a top two light heavyweight because he completely dominates everyone he fights.

Kovalev did beat Elieder Alvarez. He was also knocked cold by elieder alvarez which is one of his three recent knockout losses. He’s 4-4 in his last 8 fights, which is why no one rated him above Bivol.

Having a better and more recent significant win doesn’t make you better than someone else. See every upset ever. Kovalev is 4-4 in his last 8 fights and three of those losses have come by knockout, which is why no one rates him over Bivol.

Lomachenko’s wins over Gary Russell Jr., Jorge Linares and Nicholas Walters are better than Canelo Alvarez’s win over Kovalev. I even understand the argument for Rigodeaux being a better win than Kovalev.

Canelo Alavrez moved up one division. He’s the WBA “regular” champ at super middleweight and two of his previous five fights before Kovalev were at super middleweight.

So Bivol is a top 2 light heavweight when his best win is Pascal. A "Shot" Kovalev beat Alvarez who beat Pascal. Canelo then jumped up and beat a "shot" kovalev who actually had a better and more recent significant win in comparison to Bivol. How does that work?

What win on Loma's resume is as good as Canelo jumping up 2 division, from 160 to 175, and beating a champ in Kovalev?

Answer these questions

[Sweet Scions]

So in other words, you can't name a win on loma's resume that compares?

Rigo is perfectly comparable imo, but even if we all pretended Kovalev was the incredible fight/win that you are clearly invested in insisting it is seemingly for purposes of personal identity (a winner backing a stone cold winner! lol), why would I need to, when p4p is about the sum total of accomplishments to date and not any one specific factor being compared 1:1? Apparently, key people who ostensibly know more about boxing than you (or are at least being paid to flap their gums) beg to differ that the win over Kovalev in of itself outshines the sum of Loma's career to date, even if personally I'm inclined to agree the latter doesn't necessarily have a win that bests or at least blows away Kov. At best you have your nebulous, arbitrary reasoning locked in a stalemate against everyone else's. Cong****! This is precisely why p4p is such horse **** to begin with.

[mcdonalds]

Bivol is a top two light heavyweight because he completely dominates everyone he fights.

Kovalev did beat Elieder Alvarez. He was also knocked cold by elieder alvarez which is one of his three recent knockout losses. He’s 4-4 in his last 8 fights, which is why no one rated him above Bivol.

Having a better and more recent significant win doesn’t make you better than someone else. See every upset ever. Kovalev is 4-4 in his last 8 fights and three of those losses have come by knockout, which is why no one rates him over Bivol.

Lomachenko’s wins over Gary Russell Jr., Jorge Linares and Nicholas Walters are better than Canelo Alvarez’s win over Kovalev. I even understand the argument for Rigodeaux being a better win than Kovalev.

Canelo Alavrez moved up one division. He’s the WBA “regular” champ at super middleweight and two of his previous five fights before Kovalev were at super middleweight.

So Bivol is a top 2 light heavweight when his best win is Pascal. A "Shot" Kovalev beat Alvarez who beat Pascal. Canelo then jumped up 2 DIVISIONS and beat a "shot" kovalev who actually had a better and more recent significant win in comparison to Bivol. How does that work?

Who tf has Linares beaten? Walters is better when he's done nothing at 130?

How does this make any sense

[mcdonalds]

Rigo is perfectly comparable imo, but even if we all pretended Kovalev was the incredible fight/win that you are clearly invested in insisting it is seemingly for purposes of personal identity (a winner backing a stone cold winner! lol), why would I need to, when p4p is about the sum total of accomplishments to date and not any one specific factor being compared 1:1? Apparently, key people who ostensibly know more about boxing than you (or are at least being paid to flap their gums) beg to differ that the win over Kovalev in of itself outshines the sum of Loma's career to date, even if personally I'm inclined to agree the latter doesn't necessarily have a win that bests or at least blows away Kov. At best you have your nebulous, arbitrary reasoning locked in a stalemate against everyone else's. Cong****! This is precisely why p4p is such horse **** to begin with.

So beating a smaller man moving up 2 divisions who was way too small for 130, who also had no recent significant wins .....

Is better than Canelo moving up 2 divisions and beating A champion in Kovalev who did have a recent significant win

What is your IQ?

[TheCell8]

You can't just consider the weights...

You have to consider previous performances.

Rigo didn't get KOed twice before fighting Loma, Kovalev did.

Rigo wasn't on the brink of getting stopped in his previous fight, Kovalev was.

Rigo didn't look like a shot/scared fighter. Kovalev has been fighting like he got neutered for his last 3 fights.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Canelo is clearly p4p #1..not even a debate to be honest

As I've repeatedly said for months. But half of NSB will say Crawford or Loma even now.

It doesn't matter what Carnelo does, he will never get the credit, because he is not an 'eye test' fighter like the others.

At least Loma has a decent resume. I'm still trying to understand the overrating of Crawford.

[Sweet Scions]

So beating a smaller man moving up 2 divisions who was way too small for qq 130, who also had no recent significant wins .....

Is better than Canelo moving up 2 divisions and beating A champion in Kovalev who did have a recent significant win

What is your IQ?

Almost assuredly higher than yours; I'd stake big money (not like krazy Shadow69 money, but y'know). Why the goalpost shifting? I thought your brilliant premise was that Canelo was the unassailable p4p king because a win over Kovalev coming (most recently) from 160 apparently just takes a big Hot Carl on everything else all other current top names have done to date. Now it's specifically about whether Rigo or Kov is the better win in a vaccuum? I'd definitely go with Kov with a gun to my head. Which changes nothing about any of my points, least of all that this isn't how p4p is factored (who did the most recent semi-noteworthy thing? Automatic #1!), at least by those behind the curtain of "official" lists. I won't rhetorically ask your IQ, because I'm pretty confident this entire thread is a disingenuous exercise in keyboard karate and you understand why it's bunk

[ShaneMosleySr]

Bivol is a top two light heavyweight because he dominates everyone he fights.

Kovalev did beat Elieder Alvarez. He also lost to him. Kovalev is 4-4 in his last 8 fights and has been knocked out 3 times.

Canelo Alvarez moved up one division. He’s the WBA “regular” champion at super middleweight and two of his last five fights prior to Kovalev were at super middleweight.

Having a better and more significant recent win doesn’t make you the better boxer. For example, Buster Douglas had a better and more significant recent win than Evander Holyfield did prior to their fight and Holyfield destroyed Douglas. There are countless examples that prove your logic is flawed throughout boxing history.

Jorge Linares was a two division champion, a unified champion at 135 and hadn’t lost a fight in six years. Oscar Larios and Jesus Chavez compare with anyone Kovalev beat.

Nicholas Walters was an undefeated two division champion and has a knockout win over Nonito Donaire, which compares with any win Kovalev has.

I guess you agreed that Lomachenkos win over Russell is more impressive than a win over Kovalev.

So Bivol is a top 2 light heavweight when his best win is Pascal. A "Shot" Kovalev beat Alvarez who beat Pascal. Canelo then jumped up 2 DIVISIONS and beat a "shot" kovalev who actually had a better and more recent significant win in comparison to Bivol. How does that work?

Who tf has Linares beaten? Walters is better when he's done nothing at 130?

How does this make any sense

[mcdonalds]

Bivol is a top two light heavyweight because he dominates everyone he fights.

Kovalev did beat Elieder Alvarez. He also lost to him. Kovalev is 4-4 in his last 8 fights and has been knocked out 3 times.

Canelo Alvarez moved up one division. He’s the WBA “regular” champion at super middleweight and two of his last five fights prior to Kovalev were at super middleweight.

Having a better and more significant recent win doesn’t make you the better boxer. For example, Buster Douglas had a better and more significant recent win than Evander Holyfield did prior to their fight and Holyfield destroyed Douglas. There are countless examples that prove your logic is flawed throughout boxing history.

Jorge Linares was a two division champion, a unified champion at 135 and hadn’t lost a fight in six years. Oscar Larios and Jesus Chavez compare with anyone Kovalev beat.

Nicholas Walters was an undefeated two division champion and has a knockout win over Nonito Donaire, which compares with any win Kovalev has.

I guess you agreed that Lomachenkos win over Russell is more impressive than a win over Kovalev.

So Bivol is a top 2 light heavweight when his best win is Pascal. A "Shot" Kovalev beat Alvarez who beat Pascal. Canelo then jumped up 2 divisions and beat a "shot" kovalev who actually had a better and more recent significant win in comparison to Bivol. How does that work?

Did this dumbass just compare Linares beating Oscar larios and a washed up jesus chavez to every win Kovalev has? Linares has NO great wins on his resume

Walters WAS NOT a two division champ. Walters beating a a donaire who was way too SMALL for 126 is not comparable to Kovalev's wins

The russel fight was in 2014 and Russel win is arguable because Russel had done nothing at 126 before fighting loma