Oscar calls out PBC

[Ray*]

You said Haymon is preventing fights, PBC is bad for boxing, and manipulating fighters. So obviously you are talking about fighters managed by Haymon. That's not something you should even have to ask.

So am talking about Haymon. So your counter argument for Haymon is what? What I said isn’t true because the fighters associated with him aren’t complaining? Is that your argument?

[ShoulderRoll]

It’s true that Haymon can’t get in the ring to fight for Mayweather but to be fair, Mayweather himself said Haymon got him out of the TR contract, paid for his buyout which I think was $750k, paid for legal fees, and helped him get the DLH fight. Haymon also was the man behind Mayweather’s big paydays starting from Baldomir and on. Mayweather isn’t a financial guru, he had Haymon handling all that, schooling him financially. Something Bob Arum publicly said wasn’t going to happen was Mayweather vs DLH, because Mayweather was asking for too much money ($20mill) and Arum didn’t see eye to eye with DLH. Turns out, there was plenty of money for Mayweather’s asking price, as he earned $30million for that fight, $10 million more than what Arum said was “too much”.

As far as Schaefer and Haymon taking any fighters away, DLH wasn’t doing anything, just partying, that’s on him. Schaefer and Haymon were doing all the work. Schaefer, a banker, with the promotion of GBP fighters, and Haymon with maximizing GBP fighters earnings as their advisor.

DLH went to court vs Schaefer and they settled or whatever, but DLH didn’t keep even one Haymon fighter. There was no wrong doing on Haymon’s part. Haymon didn’t put a gun on any fighter’s head. They went with who they felt comfortable would look out for their best interest. They were free agents, they could’ve stayed with GBP/HBO. They went with FOX/PBC. ALL of them. Latinos, Black, White. They all went with Haymon. There’s a reason for that.

But back to Haymon/Mayweather, there is a reason Mayweather never hesitated to praise Haymon after every fight. Haymon was the financial expert behind Floyd’s legal escape from TR and rise to become one of the richest athletes in the world for years.

In those days Oscar was the biggest star in the sport and fought who he wanted to fight. His decision to take the Mayweather bout is what ended up making Floyd a household name.

Al Haymon didn't make Oscar take the fight. It was Oscar's choice. Without him making that choice Floyd would never have gotten as big as he did, despite how good he was.

To this day Haymon hasn't been able to create another star. Because there is no Oscar de la Hoya to pass him the torch.

As far as Schaefer and Haymon doing all the work...that was Oscar's company and those were his boxers. They misled him into thinking they were all signed to Golden Boy when in fact they weren't. Which as I said is foul and unethical.

[DaNeutral.]

Charlo and the PBC are a bit stuck at the minute. They have gone to radio silence cuz their usual tactic of lying seems to be coming back to bite them more and more these days as more and more of the competition is willing to release the facts and figures on the PBC's lies.

Its been my biggest problem with the PBC over the last couple of years. Turning down offers, ducking fights and refusing to cross streets is crappy and cult like but the biggest problem is the fact they try to hide behind it all with lies and then for the PBC fighters to start calling the opposition duckers, claim they dont want that smoke, that they are hiding from these PBC fighters.

If they want to duck, do inhouse only, not make or receive offers from anybody else then fine but dont try to then try to throw mud and make it look like its all the other sides that are the duckers or the trouble in all this. Stand by your actions.

Wilder and his handlers - Joshua dont want to fight me, Whyte dont want to fight me. Cowards, they dont want that smoke. WE ALL KNOW THATS A LIE.

Charlo and his handlers - Canelo dont want that smoke, Andrade hiding behind Hearn, they dont want to fight me. WE ALL KNOW THATS A LIE.

I can do the same for other fighters through the divisions saying the same old thing. If you want to keep it in house and want to block out threats then do it, but its not a good look so they try and hide it behind lies about the "other side".

[joseph5620]

So am talking about Haymon. So your counter argument for Haymon is what? What I said isn’t true because the fighters associated with him aren’t complaining? Is that your argument?

I'm not arguing for Haymon although that's the narrative you want to push. I've asked you to provide names of fighters/examples to back up your claims of manipulating, ruining boxing, and fighters getting held back from better deals and opportunities. You have yet to do so and have admitted you have no list of fighters.

If you throw out accusations without backing it up they are baseless claims.

[Ray*]

I'm not arguing for Haymon although that's the narrative you want to push. I've asked you to provide names of fighters/examples to back up your claims of manipulating, ruining boxing, and fighters getting held back from better deals and opportunities. You have yet to do so and have admitted you have no list of fighters.

If you throw out accusations without backing it up they are baseless claims.

You not arguing for Haymon but you want me to provide names? Names of who? The boxers that are manipulated? And when I provide those names what is your next questions? Proof from those boxers that they are manipulated?

Like I said you are for the promoter, hence why you are here asking for proof, anyone with a brain knows boxers are taken to the cleaners by those around them, by their promoters, managers, advisers.

I have provided you with proof, you just not educated enough to see it. The fact that these guys have to turn down the biggest payday in their careers to please Haymon is proof enough.

“I throw out baseless claims” Enlightened me to those claims that am throwing out? That Haymon manipulates his uneducated fighters? That he prevents them from taking big money fights? Those are known facts. Just because the boxers are gagged doesn’t mean it’s not true. Any educated person can see it for themselves.

Don’t who are in denial obviously aren’t that bright am afraid.

[QballLobo]

There were rumors that the only reason that Floyd worked with Oscar for so long was because he fronted Floyd some money to get rid of his IRS problems in exchange for co promotion of his fights for a certain amount of time.
Makes sense as Floyd was talking about being his own promoter but didn’t do it fully on his own until the Pac fight.
Those two hated each other, why would Floyd allow him to be involved and eat off Floyd’s name for so long unless some other deal was in place.
May be true, maybe not.

[maguirre]

Floyd hated Oscar, so I don't even think Dela Hoya made tons of money promoting Mayweather's fights. I recall Schaefer complaining about getting mere $1 million flat, per fight, which is probably not even enough to cover press tours, conferences, weigh in ceremonies, you name it.

[Goldie]

In those days Oscar was the biggest star in the sport and fought who he wanted to fight. His decision to take the Mayweather bout is what ended up making Floyd a household name.

Al Haymon didn't make Oscar take the fight. It was Oscar's choice. Without him making that choice Floyd would never have gotten as big as he did, despite how good he was.

To this day Haymon hasn't been able to create another star. Because there is no Oscar de la Hoya to pass him the torch.

As far as Schaefer and Haymon doing all the work...that was Oscar's company and those were his boxers. They misled him into thinking they were all signed to Golden Boy when in fact they weren't. Which as I said is foul and unethical.

This is just a silly post. You’re clearly ignorant to a lot of things. You should probably listen more and talk less.

Haymon’s fighters are making money and headlining events. If they aren’t complaining why are you?

[joseph5620]

You not arguing for Haymon but you want me to provide names? Names of who? The boxers that are manipulated? And when I provide those names what is your next questions? Proof from those boxers that they are manipulated?

Like I said you are for the promoter, hence why you are here asking for proof, anyone with a brain knows boxers are taken to the cleaners by those around them, by their promoters, managers, advisers.

I have provided you with proof, you just not educated enough to see it. The fact that these guys have to turn down the biggest payday in their careers to please Haymon is proof enough.

“I throw out baseless claims” Enlightened me to those claims that am throwing out? That Haymon manipulates his uneducated fighters? That he prevents them from taking big money fights? Those are known facts. Just because the boxers are gagged doesn’t mean it’s not true. Any educated person can see it for themselves.

Don’t who are in denial obviously aren’t that bright am afraid.

I've seen at least three different posters challenge you with the same questions yet you keep dancing around them and trying to divert the issue. Then you brush it off as by claiming we're not smart, educated or "for the "promoter" and a lot of other BS.

I'm bright enough to see through your BS. Haymon "manipulating uneducated fighters" or cheating fighters out of better deals is not a "well known fact." That's a lie on your part. You don't even know the definition of the word fact. If this was so factual you would at least to come up with examples and documented proof of this. You can't even list one name or example.

Just admit you created a narrative based on your on your personal bias. Trying to pass off your opinions as facts doesn't work and never will.

[ShoulderRoll]

This is just a silly post. You’re clearly ignorant to a lot of things. You should probably listen more and talk less.

Haymon’s fighters are making money and headlining events. If they aren’t complaining why are you?

Haymon's fighters seem happy which is good for them. But that doesn't excuse Haymon screwing Oscar over and almost ruining his company. Which is what I was addressing.

Next time try to read more carefully and understand what people are actually discussing before you run your mouth.