Lennox Lewis= Top 3 in History

[juggernaut666]

Lewis on his day beats any heavyweight in history......beat every man he faced and was ducked by bowe and at 1st by Tyson.
Lewis had everything as a boxer and for me ranks as number 1 along with Ali.
From 1992 to 2003 he remained at the top or close to it and it was only because he took McCall and Rachman lightly that he lost.
Louis was knocked out twice as well and Ali was damn near koed 2 times as well , by cooper and shavers it was just lucky Dundee was in his corner to change the course of the fight.

Lewis would kill Marciano. These guys really don’t know boxing ,I know even if I prove you wrong most times...difference between ou and them you can actually fight and have reasonable points with good insight in the past ....those guys ?
Never put a mouthpiece in .

[juggernaut666]

Oh we're just going to throw out random stats? I don't see any attempt to detract from what I said but rather just a random attempt to detract from Marciano.

I can that too:

Marciano retired 25 men 13 of which retired immediately.

Marciano's got the hardest punch ever scientifically recorded of any human being who ever lived at 925 foot-pounds, some x3 more energy than your standard police sidearm.

Been 135 years since Sullivan made Queensberry the standard of boxing, plenty of weak eras in that time, only one unbeaten and unmatched HW champion; Marciano.

x3 Fighter and Fight of the Year winner.

Want me to keep going?

You can actually refute something I said. Just speaking contrary at one another is...well..weird and disconnected.


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Here's the thing Juggie-boy, it doesn't take much cleverness to realize you are out of your depth. I don't actually have to son you because you've already son'd yourself. I spoke to Rex Layne's backing by Nat Fleischer and you brought up your opinion and some record anecdotes. It's pretty clear already I know the period and you're just some ******* who looked at Boxrec. One doesn't even need to share my opinion to realize I'm going to work circles around your ignorance. I can bring narrative while you only have statistics, your opinion, and some weird projections you just throw on me.

That said, I haven't the time to go point by point teaching an idiot with strong opinions and little understandings any subject. Let me illustrate how much less effort it takes for you to be a dumb**** than it does for me to refute you dumbassery:



Do you know the number of men coming off loses on anyone else's record during Marciano's era? Or even a little before, from the Primo/Baer era? How about Patterson's era? Have you kept up with guys coming off loses there?

I don't think you understand the structure of single body boxing. The NBA was the only title that mattered, the NBA ranks were the only ranks that matter. You had to beat men above you to fight men above them, not like today when you just have to earn a regional or affiliate belt to get ranked in the top ten.

That means to get to guys with great winning records you had to fight guys with not so great record right? And if you want to prove something you'll be after the best guys around your ranking available to you right? Okay, you silly child, Marciano has so many guys coming off losses because he was a man on a mission and took on the best guys he could as soon as they got into a position he could fight them. That's why as they get closer and close to the title, naturally, the losses get less and less.


That's why ATG SRR has as many debuts on his record in the latter half of his career as Marciano does in his first.

Marciano didn't have Ring's back or a strong Bronx bankroll, or the entire western gentry behind him. He wasn't favored often and wasn't seen as a guy who would be champion. He had to force his way into the ranking which is why he fought Roland early, Roland had the money behind him, the name, the coverage from sporting magazine, Rocky wanted that. Roland's team saw Rocky as a crude and easy win for their pioneering defense virtuoso and took a fight with him expecting it to make Roland look good and earn him more local celebrity. He got beaten though.

Which put Marciano in the realm of veterans, right where Rex Layne found himself. Rex did have one loss, against a guy he'd beaten and would beat twice more after that loss. He got a win over Walcott which positioned him as top of the heap at 34-1 with a twice avenged loss years prior and win over Jersey Joe Walcott.

Of course Marciano fought Layne first then cleaned house taking out the aging Louis and IBU champion Savold to force a title elim with Matthews. All the while maintaining rank against guys who were trying to make the most of their new positions themselves.

Now let us look at Lennox Lewis's journey.

Lennox fought for a domestic level championship after having faced no top ten competition, then after gaining access through auto ranking with WBC affiliates Lennox fought only Weaver and Ruddock of the top tens to earn his WBC title shot. He won and that and credit to him he did go on from there to stack an assortment of top ten wins, unify all the belts and be the last undisputed and one of if not the greatest champion of all time.

But, you've to be ****ing dense as **** to not understand why the oldens had so many loses and fought so many guys coming off losses especially the ones who rose quickly. It is the same exact thing everyone always *****es about when *****ing about the multiple bodies. Multiple bodies give people places to hide and allows them to pad their records. Even good guys in those eras have artificially pretty records due to their artificially ranked positions.

This lesson is over. I doubt you read ****, and that's why I'm not wasting my time addressing every tidbit you think is a good point. You don't know and probably don't want to know anything about what you're talking about.

Those aren’t random stats, those are stats that made you bring up Layne ?who ? Lol


You loser, you even called guys of 6” 3 midgets but Rocky wasn’t even 5”11 ? Lol

You dummy I just exposed Marciano vs a modern HW and the guy you cheerleading for gets crushed...did you not read the real stats on that thread?

No I crushed you, and gave you the records bf Marciano fought the other guys and if I did after it would expose him even more you simpleton bc you actually aren’t as smart as you wish to be ,it would show they weren’t as good as thought prior to fighting him ? Lmao

[N/A]

That's a good post, but, Boxrec rankings are crazy as hell. Wills over Dempsey?

I don't think they're crazy at all. If anything they often expose who was overhyped, or overprotected, or put on a pedestal due to their fame, or given too much credit due to a lengthy title reigns against weaker competition. Boxrec doesn't recognize titles. Doesn't recognize who the champion is. Doesn't care who is famous or marketed well. It just runs all the wins and losses through the computer. The results are often eye opening.

How about this. Look at the active rankings, Deontay is second and Povetkin is 7th.

Now click the inactive and Wilder falls to 63 while Povetkin gets elevated to 55.

I think that all makes sense. Wilder is clearly a top 3 heavyweight right now and Povetkin is older and no longer at that level. But he's had more solid wins than Wilder has had overall, which is reflected in their all time ratings.

[DreamFighter]

I would be more impressed with Marciano if he beat Sonny Liston or a younger Joe Louis

its not a duck though, Rocky was late 30s when Liston had emerged, which was past retiring age at the time, and he certainly was there with his back injury.

What you are really wishing for here is Liston beating up a near 40 year old with a bad back. That might pass for a crap IBO or a Wilder-type defence these days but it would be highly dishonourable as a title fight back then.

but with Joe Louis,... you gotta understand that Rocky was still facing bums at the time though. His window at the top was quite brief. I am certain though that Joe would have outpointe a young Marciano. Its possible he was kept away from Louis, but for good reason, he would be made to look a fool by him.

[TMLT87]

Resume wise hes probably a top 3 HW, definitely top 5. Head to head i'd favour him over anybody.

[JakeTheBoxer]

His resume is not even very good. he beat many guys that were damaged goods already.

[Marchegiano]

Those aren’t random stats, those are stats that made you bring up Layne ?who ? Lol

Nope, they're random. I was already speaking about Layne, you just have a reading comprehension issue because you're a flat skulled buffoon.

You loser, you even called guys of 6” 3 midgets but Rocky wasn’t even 5”11 ? Lol

You're mad because I made fun of Usyk? What a sad little man you are. Rocky would hurt Usyk badly.

You dummy I just exposed Marciano vs a modern HW and the guy you cheerleading for gets crushed...did you not read the real stats on that thread?

All you exposed was your lack of understanding the difference between a three body system and a single body system like the dumb**** you are

No I crushed you, and gave you the records bf Marciano fought the other guys and if I did after it would expose him even more you simpleton bc you actually aren’t as smart as you wish to be ,it would show they weren’t as good as thought prior to fighting him ? Lmao

It doesn't take any intellect at all to be a Boxrec whore. You're just a cliche. What amazes me is how you assume you've imparted anyone with any information they did not have.


I know you're real ****ing ****** so let me explain in real simple terms. If not for my affinity to entertain just about any dumbass who responds to me your posts would amount to "So?"

Ricky posed a solid question, I responded to it. You just posted random **** you think detracts from a record.

let me exemplify that. That bit about " If I posted what happened after Marciano" You're ****ing dumb, I already did. In the post you're responding to the first stat I threw out was he retired 25 men. The **** are you going to bring up about guys performances post Marciano when I've already pointed out the majority, more than half of them, were put into retirement you goofy neanderthal prick? The remaining minority didn't do so well?


Chittering monkey, climbs a tree, calls himself tall.

[DreamFighter]

he has a case for it but the others have marginally stronger perhaps.

After Ali and Louis at number 1 and 2 (either way), the chasers for 3rd and 4th are all very close together.

[REDEEMER]

Top 3 in the ring ? Sure but he’s not top 3 of an all time great, no way . Honestly AJ is way more impressive in accomplishments,he will go down at least as U.Ks best heavyweight in history I believe . No one really thought much of Lewis being from the U.S he wasn’t really looked as a good fighter but we know how history works ,it ends up nonsense most the time .

[The plunger man]

Lewis would kill Marciano. These guys really don’t know boxing ,I know even if I prove you wrong most times...difference between ou and them you can actually fight and have reasonable points with good insight in the past ....those guys ?
Never put a mouthpiece in .

You never once proved me wrong , I said lewis was way above Joshua and that’s been proven and you said a novice Joshua could beat Lewis , I also said joe Joyce will never win a world title and I’m willing to wager with you that if the proposed Dubois vs Joyce fight takes place I’ll go with Dubois.
Please don’t write to me your a fruitcake and loony....as for fighting yeah I have many time , pop over fruitcake I’ll be willing to pop in that gumshield and make you piss blood