Pbc + dazn

[Citizen Koba]

History has nothing to do with it; when Eddie Hearn first really came onto the scene stateside, he was moving just fine, tbh.

The issues came when he stepped out of line; rather than working in the mix, Hearn figured he could just bigfoot everyone, which was silly.

About as dumb as Haymon would be, simply showing up in the UK, thinking he's going to run things.

I'm in agreement. You come into a new community with established relationships - even adversarial ones - the surest way to piss everyone off is to start throwing your weight around, Like when you try to intervene in a family feud and all them mfers turn on you

And I wasn't saying Hearn wasn't wanted because he was British but that once he pissed off a few major players in the US boxing community his Britiishness made it easier to turn US boxing fans against him. Had DAZN put a known American at the helm there may have still been backlash - that kinda money is always gonna make waves - but it would have taken a different form I guess.

There really should have been a process of establishing DAZN and Matchrooms place in the US boxing community and building relationships, but I suspect that since DAZNs strategy seems to have been attempting to steal a lead in the nascent sports streaming market Hearn's directive was to go in fast and hard to establish a market share before the major US players really got their streaming game going... course I'm just speculating, but it kinda fits with what they've done.

From the POV of the majot US boxing players though I suspect the calculations have become not just about how to get the interloper Hearn out, but how to separate him from the huge pot DAZN brings first

[Toffee]

And I wasn't saying Hearn wasn't wanted because he was British but that once he pissed off a few major players in the US boxing community his Britiishness made it easier to turn US boxing fans against him. Had DAZN put a known American at the helm there may have still been backlash - that kinda money is always gonna make waves - but it would have taken a different form I guess.

Do you think he, or DAZN, care if you don't like him?

You'll either buy a subscription to watch the fights or not. The promoter makes little difference.

Although, ironically, the dislike shown towards him makes him far better known. He's a pantomime villain, playing his role perfectly.

It's not easy to go to America and become well known very quickly. Unless they hate you in which case you'll be talked about.

Not quite so dumb is he? Will you boo him at his shows too?

[Citizen Koba]

Do you think he, or DAZN, care if you don't like him?

You'll either buy a subscription to watch the fights or not. The promoter makes little difference.

Although, ironically, the dislike shown towards him makes him far better known. He's a pantomime villain, playing his role perfectly.

It's not easy to go to America and become well known very quickly. Unless they hate you in which case you'll be talked about.

Not quite so dumb is he? Will you boo him at his shows too?

Hell you talking about? I don't dislike DAZN or Hearn - in fact I wish 'em well in their venture since I see streaming as the future, though ultimately the markets will decide how this plays out. I don't get their service here in the UK anyways so whilst all boxing fans needs must have half an eye on the US it doesn't directly affect me.

I was just giving a brief analysis as what I see as some of the problems faced by MRUSA and DAZN and why things are going down the way they are... ie resonable uptake of the service but also significant resistance both from the US boxing establishment and sections of the US fandom.

[Toffee]

Hell you talking about? I don't dislike DAZN or Hearn - in fact I wish 'em well in their venture since I see streaming as the future, though ultimately the markets will decide how this plays out. I don't get their service here in the UK anyways so whilst all boxing fans needs must have half an eye on the US it doesn't directly affect me.

I was just giving a brief analysis as what I see as some of the problems faced by MRUSA and DAZN and why things are going down the way they are... ie resonable uptake of the service but also significant resistance both from the US boxing establishment and sections of the US fandom.

Fair enough about location. Apologies, I didn't see that.

But you'd know about his pantomime villain persona then? I don't think our American cousins quite get that.

Do you think the establishment hate him any more than Warren? I doubt it - they'll do business with him when it makes sense, and try to put him out of business the rest of the time. Personal dislike won't come into it.

And fans will buy his shows if they're good shows. And they'll make him famous by complaining about him. No-one is avoiding subscribing to DAZN because they don't like a mouthy Brit.

DAZN will deal with him as long as it makes business sense.

[Citizen Koba]

Fair enough about location. Apologies, I didn't see that.

But you'd know about his pantomime villain persona then? I don't think our American cousins quite get that.

Do you think the establishment hate him any more than Warren? I doubt it - they'll do business with him when it makes sense, and try to put him out of business the rest of the time. Personal dislike won't come into it.

And fans will buy his shows if they're good shows. And they'll make him famous by complaining about him. No-one is avoiding subscribing to DAZN because they don't like a mouthy Brit.

DAZN will deal with him as long as it makes business sense.

I'm not sure about his persona, to me it hasn't really changed since he went to the US... always been a mixture of public school charm overlayed with a cheeky ****ney veneer, but I will acknowledge that I ain't been paying an awful lot of attention either.

And no, personal dislike shouldn't enter into other promotions doing business with the dude, but I think there may be a degree to which the constant ad homininem affects subscriptions, especially long term subs. Brand confidence is key which is why competitors and allied media and social media groups (including forum posters) will make sustained efforts to try to undermine the image of rivals... all part of doing business in the modern world, man.

Most decisions ain't made at a fully rational level and if folk are believing there ain't much future in DAZN - or that subscribing to the service is somehow disloyal to American boxing or boxers - or that their shows are likely to fail they're maybe less likely to go for the longer term commitment that the service really wants.

Anyway - whether it affects subs or not, as long as competitors or the pundits with loyalties to them believe it does they have a reason to encourage or highlight negative stories about the service and to make make as hominem attacks on Hearn himself. All part of the game, I guess.

[Marchegiano]

I'm not sure about his persona, to me it hasn't really changed since he went to the US... always been a mixture of public school charm overlayed with a cheeky ****ney veneer, but I will acknowledge that I ain't been paying an awful lot of attention either.

And no, personal dislike shouldn't enter into other promotions doing business with the dude, but I think there may be a degree to which the constant ad homininem affects subscriptions, especially long term subs. Brand confidence is key which is why competitors and allied media and social media groups (including forum posters) will make sustained efforts to try to undermine the image of rivals... all part of doing business in the modern world, man.

Most decisions ain't made at a fully rational level and if folk are believing there ain't much future in DAZN - or that subscribing to the service is somehow disloyal to American boxing or boxers - or that their shows are likely to fail they're maybe less likely to go for the longer term commitment that the service really wants.

Anyway - whether it affects subs or not, as long as competitors or the pundits with loyalties to them believe it does they have a reason to encourage or highlight negative stories about the service and to make make as hominem attacks on Hearn himself. All part of the game, I guess.

It is sad how much big business works off nepotism, including boxing. I think that might have more play than people would imagine. It'd be interesting to know who is connected to who. To this day you can read articles about Don King's connections with the WBC. Who specifically? Suli? I dunno, they never mention. That's corruption for you though.

[Scipio2009]

I'm in agreement. You come into a new community with established relationships - even adversarial ones - the surest way to piss everyone off is to start throwing your weight around, Like when you try to intervene in a family feud and all them mfers turn on you

And I wasn't saying Hearn wasn't wanted because he was British but that once he pissed off a few major players in the US boxing community his Britiishness made it easier to turn US boxing fans against him. Had DAZN put a known American at the helm there may have still been backlash - that kinda money is always gonna make waves - but it would have taken a different form I guess.

There really should have been a process of establishing DAZN and Matchrooms place in the US boxing community and building relationships, but I suspect that since DAZNs strategy seems to have been attempting to steal a lead in the nascent sports streaming market Hearn's directive was to go in fast and hard to establish a market share before the major US players really got their streaming game going... course I'm just speculating, but it kinda fits with what they've done.

From the POV of the majot US boxing players though I suspect the calculations have become not just about how to get the interloper Hearn out, but how to separate him from the huge pot DAZN brings first

Only issue with that is that Showtime has basically been live streaming their channel since 2014, finally making the move to buy PPV directly from the Showtime app with Mayweather-McGregor (since the UFC had been directly selling their PPV for a little while prior).

HBO didn't go as far, but they were streaming content. As did BounceTV when Haymon made his move, and ESPN, FOX, NBC, CBS have all been streaming content to various degrees as well (with FOX and ESPN both joining Showtime in selling PPV direct to consumer).

You figure YouTube, Facebook Live, Amazon to a point, etc, DAZN tried to show up to a market that already had competitors in it growing their business, with not much more than a bag of money, thinking they'd just take over quickly.

Think Tesla Motors showing up, when Ford/GM/Fiat-Chrysler, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, etc all in the market, trying to compete in the 30k or less car market. (Timing will be what it'll be, but I'm on the record that Tesla will eventually be purchased by Ford Motors (Ford-Lincoln-Tesla) as the consolidated electric drivetrain/cars division, Elon Musk may even be brought in to run Ford Motors for a bit, but that would be the only way for Tesla to compete in the long run).

DAZN isn't good money, as far as I'm concerned, and I have a sense that boxing folks on top have an understanding of that. DAZN is a late mover, with basically zero infrastructure in the US, entering a market where they're not the only folks with money.

There's a reason why Bob Arum took maybe $30m per year in a 360 deal, when DAZN was offering the alleged billion dollars over 8 years (which seemed to really have been a guaranteed two year deal, with 6 option years and most of the actual money backloaded).

[saintpat]

It is sad how much big business works off nepotism, including boxing. I think that might have more play than people would imagine. It'd be interesting to know who is connected to who. To this day you can read articles about Don King's connections with the WBC. Who specifically? Suli? I dunno, they never mention. That's corruption for you though.

Isn’t Eddie a nepotism Hall of Famer?

I forget, who’s his dad?

[Marchegiano]

Isn’t Eddie a nepotism Hall of Famer?

I forget, who’s his dad?

yeah he's a boxing silver spoon for sure.

[Sweet Jones]

So they can potentially be on DAZN or ESPN as well?

Seems to me the PBC would do best to get their show on every channel/platform.

Maybe you don’t remember, but there was a time when PBC was doing just that and was on ‘every channel/platform’.

You know what the result of that was?

A(unfortunately larger than should have been) segment of so-called boxing ‘fans’ flooded this very forum on a daily basis with complaints about it from not being able to ‘find fights’ to ‘quality differences’ in the different presentations.

You (fans) reap what you sow.