Pbc + dazn

[The Big Dunn]

So they can potentially be on DAZN or ESPN as well?

Seems to me the PBC would do best to get their show on every channel/platform.

Just curious as to why you’d want the best fighters to all be on a pay for service when they instead could be affiliated with Fox that has a wider audience and is available in more homes.

Wouldn’t the better play be to have them all available on Fox and fs1, which you don’t have to pay a fee to watch?

The other option would be all under the ESPN umbrella because they have ESPN, espn2, ESPN Latino and the ability to do ppvs. They are also available in more homes than DAZN and you don’t have to pay for them outside of cable or whatever streaming service you have.

[Marchegiano]

Just curious as to why you’d want the best fighters to all be on a pay for service when they instead could be affiliated with Fox that has a wider audience and is available in more homes?

Wouldn’t the better play be to have them all available on Fox and fs1, which you don’t have to pay a fee to watch?

You're telling me Wilder-Ortiz II was free on FS1 or some such similar?

[Marchegiano]

PBC sold two packages. A primary package to Fox and a secondary package to Showtime. Fox and Showtime are guaranteed until their deals expire that PBC won't create additional packages.

Oh I see, thanks bud

[The Big Dunn]

You're telling me Wilder-Ortiz II was free on FS1 or some such similar?

Come on dude, don’t do that and avoid the question.

Most fights are not ppv.

Wouldn’t it be better for everyone to align under the less expensive option?

[Articulateboxin]

I can only dream of all that boxing on 1 paid monthly subscription. What's remarkable though is that there are boxing "fans" on this site and elsewhere in the world, who would rather the idea fail than have it become a reality, for no other reason than their fighter doesn't currently fight there.

I don't care if it's ESPN, DAZN, PBC or whoever - 1 monthly payment for that much boxing would be the best gift we could ever hope for. No more broadcast disputes and boxers making big paydays!

Ah well...we can dream

[Marchegiano]

Come on dude, don’t do that and avoid the question.

Most fights are not ppv.

Wouldn’t it be better for everyone to align under the less expensive option?

I see what you mean, didn't mean to be a ****, I was honestly too focused on PPV to get what you were saying. I thought I was talking about the cheap option.

I'm not asking for PBC to stop being on Fox or Showtime, I'm asking why it can't be on DAZN as well.

I'm thinking they can have their free fights on cable, their cable priced PPVs, and their monthly sub stream service.

You're saying it should be Matchroom, TR, etc, on Fox instead?

I'm not bothered with that except those guys don't do 20 dollar PPVs! That'd be free fights until a big fight....or would it not?

[Clegg]

Maybe DAZN is better than the alternatives, but in general I'm not sure having all the talent under one umbrella is a good idea. We saw with the Smith-Ryder fight at the weekend, if you're the lesser name you need someone fighting your corner, being under the same promoter and network means nobody will kick up a fuss on your behalf even though you have a contract with them and it was a robbery.

Remember when Martinez was champ and was willing to fight Chavez? WBC ordered Martinez to fight Zbik, HBO refused to pay for the fight and said Martinez had to fight someone else for them to fund it. Then WBC stripped Martinez, HBO agreed to televise Chavez-Zbik for the vacant title. So basically a network conspired with a promoter and sanctioning org to tak the belt from the real champ and give it to a hypejob and got away with it. I could see things like that happening if too many names were on one network/app.

Not trying to be negative to your thread btw, maybe what you're describing would be better than how things are now. Best solution might be the current 3 way split to become a 2 way split. Things were slightly better 10 years ago when it was HBO vs Showtime competiting for the top fights. Another thing IMO we get more competitive fights made when networks don't have an output deal with a promoter and instead just buy the best fights or at least just deals with individual fighters, not whole companies where they have the security to put on one poor event after another knowing the dates, fee are secure regardless of quality.

[N/A]

I hate to burst your bubble but boxrec has Canelo as #1 LB for LB with Crawford #2 and Deontay #10, four spots below Berchelt. So I guess you hats what’s what you mean by accurate. Berchelt above Wilder

How are you bursting my bubble? Canelo clearly has proven himself a #1 P4P, currently holding world titles in three different divisions. Crawford is a very deserving #2, pulling off the rare feat of being undisputed in the four belt era.

I have no problem with Berchelt being above Wilder. Top heavyweights fighting each other is far less common than top fighters fighting each other in other weight divisions. Berchelt has earned his points and good for him.

[The Big Dunn]

I see what you mean, didn't mean to be a ****, I was honestly too focused on PPV to get what you were saying. I thought I was talking about the cheap option.

I'm not asking for PBC to stop being on Fox or Showtime, I'm asking why it can't be on DAZN as well.

I'm thinking they can have their free fights on cable, their cable priced PPVs, and their monthly sub stream service.

You're saying it should be Matchroom, TR, etc, on Fox instead?

I'm not bothered with that except those guys don't do 20 dollar PPVs! That'd be free fights until a big fight....or would it not?

Here is the problem-DAZN is not big on the East Coast. They have virtually no boxers from that region. They also have just started marketing toward east coast communities.

I think when discussing boxing we need to appreciate the fact that different people view the sport differently. For example, i had an ex girlfriend who was Puerto Rican, When Tito or Cotto fought, the whole neighborhood would come together in a backyard or house to watch the fight. Matter of fact, I knew a couple of groups of Puerto Ricans that did same.

I get that some guys watch by themselves so the PPV is very expensive. When I watch, everyone comes to my house or my boys crib to watch the fights so if the fight is a PPV we always split costs or have a party where people will kick in if they don't bring something.

I think since most fights are not PPV quality or worthy then they should be broadcast on TV that doesn't require an additional fee rather than the app service.

[Marchegiano]

Maybe DAZN is better than the alternatives, but in general I'm not sure having all the talent under one umbrella is a good idea. We saw with the Smith-Ryder fight at the weekend, if you're the lesser name you need someone fighting your corner, being under the same promoter and network means nobody will kick up a fuss on your behalf even though you have a contract with them and it was a robbery.

Remember when Martinez was champ and was willing to fight Chavez? WBC ordered Martinez to fight Zbik, HBO refused to pay for the fight and said Martinez had to fight someone else for them to fund it. Then WBC stripped Martinez, HBO agreed to televise Chavez-Zbik for the vacant title. So basically a network conspired with a promoter and sanctioning org to tak the belt from the real champ and give it to a hypejob and got away with it. I could see things like that happening if too many names were on one network/app.

Not trying to be negative to your thread btw, maybe what you're describing would be better than how things are now. Best solution might be the current 3 way split to become a 2 way split. Things were slightly better 10 years ago when it was HBO vs Showtime competiting for the top fights. Another thing IMO we get more competitive fights made when networks don't have an output deal with a promoter and instead just buy the best fights or at least just deals with individual fighters, not whole companies where they have the security to put on one poor event after another knowing the dates, fee are secure regardless of quality.

This is a real good post. Just pointing it our for the skimmers, you might want to stop a minute.


You bring up some really good points. What about the PBC simply not tied down? On all channels, making them bid for the PBC fights to be on Fox PPV or Fox free tv, or ESPN PPV, maybe ESPN+, DAZN, Showtime, all depending on their worth?

Because if the PBC is everywhere and tied down to no one then that forces the broadcasters into a purse bid situation.

Then again....I'm not entirely sure how to stop that level of corruption. Even if things were super spread you'd probably still see promoters basically buying belts. Didn't King do that too?

Anyway, great post, really solid points.