Is Spence a top 5 p4p fighter?

[Boxing_1013]

I keep asking and I am NOT getting an answer.

Crawford for WHAT??? WHO👏THE👏FᵁCK👏HAS👏HE👏BEAT???

If you are new you can just look up his resume online

[Combat Talk Radio]

If you are new you can just look up his resume online

Because Hank Lundy is an ATG. Right?

[Boxing_1013]

Because Hank Lundy is an ATG. Right?

No bro but he cleaned out a couple divisions and did so quite impressively...Postol was like a pick em fight going in...TC has always impressed every time out, he is deserving of a top p4p spot imo.

Beltran Postol Gamboa are all good wins...Horn, Diaz, Molina, Indongo and a few others good wins too.

A lot of it is eye test for TC, but he passes the eye test every time out.

[Combat Talk Radio]

No bro but he cleaned out a couple divisions and did so quite impressively...Postol was like a pick em fight going in...TC has always impressed every time out, he is deserving of a top p4p spot imo.

Beltran Postol Gamboa are all good wins...Horn, Diaz, Molina, Indongo and a few others good wins too.

A lot of it is eye test for TC, but he passes the eye test every time out.

And which of those guys is better than Keef Thurman, Errol Spence, Danny Garcia, Manny Pacquiao or Shawn Porter? Name ONE.

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And which of those guys is better than Keef Thurman, Errol Spence, Danny Garcia, Manny Pacquiao or Shawn Porter? Name ONE.

I'm not sure why your just name dropping. None of those guys have a W over Manny.

Danny is super overrated. Porter is overrated and Thurman doesn't look like the same fighter for a couple of years now.

Honestly it's like asking if any of those fighter would beat Mell or Mall jrock Hurd? I would honestly favor all those guys against the current crop of WW.

Most people will say Crawford the better p4p fighter cause he cleaned out 2 division while working on a third while Spence is still in his first.

[Boxing_1013]

And which of those guys is better than Keef Thurman, Errol Spence, Danny Garcia, Manny Pacquiao or Shawn Porter? Name ONE.

It's not that serious man lol...Crawford will surely get in there soon with a top guy at 147 and we will see his level...I had Spence very high for a while but dropped him a bit based on his last 2 performances...we will see what Crawford comes up with at 147...at the past weights he was dominant.

[Boxing_1013]

I'm not sure why your just name dropping. None of those guys have a W over Manny.

Danny is super overrated. Porter is overrated and Thurman doesn't look like the same fighter for a couple of years now.

Honestly it's like asking if any of those fighter would beat Mell or Mall jrock Hurd? I would honestly favor all those guys against the current crop of WW.

Most people will say Crawford the better p4p fighter cause he cleaned out 2 division while working on a third while Spence is still in his first.

Right...I'm not even a Crawford 'fan'...I just recognize that he appears to be the real deal

[Boxing_1013]

Again, there are reasons you can have to not put Spence top 5.

But dominate in what regard? The scorecards and the fight against Linares was up in the air after 9 rounds. There was no dominating going on. Linares dropped Lomachenko and was down by one on one card and up by one on another cared.

A draw and MD loss to Canelo is indeed not bad at all. You are right there. However, GGG also was in a tight competitive fight with Jacobs, not all that dissimilar from Spence/Porter. Curious, how did you score the Spence/Porter fight anyways?

I agree about Loma/Linares...I had that fight very close before the stoppage.

GGG was pretty clearly better than Nelo in both fights imo.

I think the Danny fight was interesting because no one thought Danny's chin would hold up for 12 rounds...but if we knew that it would, I would have expected an 8-4 fight for GGG with a KD (that's how I had it...I had it over after 9 rounds and never felt it was really that close...GGG seemed in control basically the whole fight imo)...so Danny's chin holding up was surprising, but the action between them when they were in the ring was about what I expected.

I gave Danny a chance for scoring a KO going in, like he did with Quillin...so I always gave Danny a chance in that regard...I never gave Shawn any real chance to take Spence, and I never thought Spence would allow Porter to enforce his style on Spence and not vice-versa.

So yeah I personally saw Spence in more of a dog fight with Porter than GGG was with Danny...and I think a lot of us are just surprised that Spence allowed Porter to impose his style on him and didn't make it look a little more clinical/easier.

Spence was always near the top of my pfp list...but after Mikey I dropped him a couple spots...and dropped him a couple more spots after this one.

I think he was the better man vs Porter and deserved to win...I slid the last round to Shawn and had it 6-6..but I shaded a couple close rounds to him that some could have split...even though I gave Shawn 6 rounds, it is hard for me to see him getting 7...a couple rounds I shaded to him were 'close but clear' rounds and I just don't know where the other rounds for him could come from...and Spence could have won 1 or 2 of Porter's imo.

Spence imo just struggled more with Porter than I saw GGG with Danny...but I think that is a fair enough comparison...and just how it is fair to judge GGG on whether he lived up to expectations vs DJ, it is fair imo to judge whether Spence did vs Porter.

[Boxing_1013]

If Spence dominated Porter and Brook, I would put him in the top 5 without issue

But he didnt

yep good posts man...I have always been high on Spence but expected more from him, especially vs Porter

[Boxing_1013]

But who did Crawford dominate that's A level?

Shawn Porter is not A level and Spence was in a dog fight with him...I like Spence but that's the truth