Is Spence a top 5 p4p fighter?

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  • RetroSpeed05
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    #1

    Is Spence a top 5 p4p fighter?

    I seen some putting him up their but is he? You have fighters who unified and became undisputed. Fighters who are multiple weight champions. Fighters who fought people who weigh more than them, have bigger reach and are much taller.

    Spence just unified and is the biggest 147lber with all the physical advantages. Hes gonna be 30 and never moved up 1 weight class.

    What happenes when he doesn't have the physical advantages? Does he do well against them like some othe rp4p fighters do?
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    Not top 5 prob top 10 though. He isnt unbeatable. Has cement feet and no head movement, he can be touched up.

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      #3
      Originally posted by RetroSpeed05
      I seen some putting him up their but is he? You have fighters who unified and became undisputed. Fighters who are multiple weight champions. Fighters who fought people who weigh more than them, have bigger reach and are much taller.

      Spence just unified and is the biggest 147lber with all the physical advantages. Hes gonna be 30 and never moved up 1 weight class.

      What happenes when he doesn't have the physical advantages? Does he do well against them like some othe rp4p fighters do?
      Why don't we flip this around. Because what you just saw last night:

      - Spence went to Brook's home country and took the belt that Brook took from Porter.

      - Spence came out of Dallas (meaning NO hometown advantage) and just took the WBC belt from that same Porter.

      - Spence is the only fighter besides Adrien Broner to legit drop Shawn Porter.

      - Spence holds TWO of the top three (yes, three, not four) belts in the division.

      There's no way he's not up there. Simply no way. I can't go higher than where I have him (#5) because Porter gave him all he could handle AND his resume is still weak. But he damn sure deserves to be up there over guys like Crawford who haven't beaten anybody legit at 147 without asterisks.

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        #4
        Originally posted by revelated
        Why don't we flip this around. Because what you just saw last night:

        - Spence went to Brook's home country and took the belt that Brook took from Porter.

        - Spence came out of Dallas (meaning NO hometown advantage) and just took the WBC belt from that same Porter.

        - Spence is the only fighter besides Adrien Broner to legit drop Shawn Porter.

        - Spence holds TWO of the top three (yes, three, not four) belts in the division.

        There's no way he's not up there. Simply no way. I can't go higher than where I have him (#5) because Porter gave him all he could handle AND his resume is still weak. But he damn sure deserves to be up there over guys like Crawford who haven't beaten anybody legit at 147 without asterisks.
        Competitive fight with Brook. Razor thin fight with Porter, who isn’t anywhere near a P4P list

        It’s a very weak claim for even a top 10 spot.

        If having two belts and/or dropping Shawn Porter were criteria for becoming a top 5 fighter in the whole sport, the sport would be peculiar

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        • DumpkinsPlus5
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          Who you beat is more important than a label. Which is why all champions are not treated equally. Crawford unified/undisputed blah blah blah. Who are the names on his resume. Nobody seems to have a problem with Crawford being #1 or #2 p4p. If he can be that high, yes Errol Spence is top 5. Porter is better than anyone Crawford's beat. Brook is better than anyone Crawford's beat. Garcia is better than anyone Crawford has beat.

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          • DuckAdonis
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            #6
            No, he didn't seperate himself from Porter

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            • W1LL
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              #7
              Canelo
              Crawford
              Lomachenko
              Usyk
              Fury

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              • D4thincarnation
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                #8
                Naoya Inoue
                Vasyl Lomachenko
                Terence Crawford
                Saul Alvarez
                Gennady Golovkin
                Sergey Kovalev
                Oleksandr Usyk

                All rank above Spence P4P

                And quite a few others make a good argument to be above him as well.

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                • D4thincarnation
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DuckAdonis
                  No, he didn't seperate himself from Porter
                  Exactly with a ref pulling him up on his low blow and pulling Porter head down and leaning on his back, Porter could have come away with a clear victory.

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                  • techliam
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by DumpkinsPlus5
                    Who you beat is more important than a label. Which is why all champions are not treated equally. Crawford unified/undisputed blah blah blah. Who are the names on his resume. Nobody seems to have a problem with Crawford being #1 or #2 p4p. If he can be that high, yes Errol Spence is top 5. Porter is better than anyone Crawford's beat. Brook is better than anyone Crawford's beat. Garcia is better than anyone Crawford has beat.
                    If Spence dominated Porter and Brook, I would put him in the top 5 without issue

                    But he didnt

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