Do you guys think Pacquiao is on a par with Duran?

[Spoon23]

People were saying Pac was top 5 all time after the Margarito fight. Bert Sugar included. That's a guy who saw them all.

Then Pac went on the have the Bradley trilogy, whip Sugar Shane then get iced by Marquez I one of the best fights in history only to come back and whip an entirely new generation of welterweights lol

Pac's resume' is airtight fort knox. Hard to break. Even Duran's can't come close to Pac's accomplishments.

If Duran is in the top 10. Pac is inside that nearer to the front.

[THC]

The difference between Pac and Duran.

Duran is slow, and doesn't use angles the way Pac does. Duran is a beast but his speed is 3rd gear, while Pac's is at 6th gear.

That alone is the Trump card. Pac's speed will be too much for Duran. Pac will spin him like a top and Duran will call Nomas after being frustrated in the ring.

Pac has too much speed for Duran to handle. Only chance Duran beats him is with a solid punch, but that said both men have the hands of stone. Both are heavy handed.

Pac in the light weights are dropping his opponents like flies. Both men are heavy handed, but both men are not the same in terms of speed. Pac is Duran 2.0. Faster, more agile than Duran.

To those who don't get it.

Speed KILLS.

Duran said NOMAS to SRL because he was too slow to catch him. That's Duran achilles he's slow. He's feet is slow. He can't win against fighters with great footwork. Pac has that in spades.

You have some valid points.

Duran did quit against Leonard from frustration. I never bought his stomach cramp excuse. But Pacquiao's style would have NOT frustrated Duran. Not one bit.

I agree Pacquiao was faster than Duran. Yes, speed can be a killer. But timing borne from ring IQ trumps pure speed. And I just feel Duran has it all over Pacquiao in that department.

As far as mobility, I suspect you equate Pacquiao's athleticism as evidence of better footwork. I argue Duran's effortless footwork placed him in advantageous positions against most opponents (except Hearns and Leonard). I'd speculate that he would have had no problem dealing with Pacquiao's movement.

Finally, Duran's defense was levels beyond what Manny ever had. e.g. I just can't see Pacquiao surviving more than 6 rounds with Iran Barkley at MW. Hagler would have destroyed him. IMO Pacquiao gets KOed cold against Hearns or Leonard.

[Spoon23]

You have some valid points.

Duran did quit against Leonard from frustration. I never bought his stomach cramp excuse. But Pacquiao's style would have NOT frustrated Duran. Not one bit.

I agree Pacquiao was faster than Duran. Yes, speed can be a killer. But timing borne from ring IQ trumps pure speed. And I just feel Duran has it all over Pacquiao in that department.

As far as mobility, I suspect you equate Pacquiao's athleticism as evidence of better footwork. I argue Duran's effortless footwork placed him in advantageous positions against most opponents (except Hearns and Leonard). I'd speculate that he would have had no problem dealing with Pacquiao's movement.

Finally, Duran's defense was levels beyond what Manny ever had. e.g. I just can't see Pacquiao surviving more than 6 rounds with Iran Barkley at MW. Hagler would have destroyed him. IMO Pacquiao gets KOed cold against Hearns or Leonard.

If you were to look at Pac's evolution as a fighter and how he breezed through his opponents, and won majority of the rounds. That's a man with great skill and timing as well. All starts with Speed. Pac wasn't known for being a counter puncher, but he has become in the later part of his career. What makes Pac a complete fighter. He has it all great footwork, fast hands, heavy hands, knows how to use angles, timing, but what separates Pac among the rest is not his fast hands, experts noticed. It's Pac's feet that has dazzled his way to greatness.

Here's a highlight of a prime Pac and what he is about. Angles, speed, timing, precision countering.

Pac is Duran 2.0




Here's a known counter-puncher who got countered by a man not known to be a counter puncher.

[NUCLEAR]

duran has a weak mind.

Pacquiao would never quit like duran did.

[FredRekk]

duran has a weak mind.

Pacquiao would never quit like duran did.

Never. PAC don’t quit ever. He don’t cheery pick. He don’t back down. PAC is a ****ing warrior. Top 3 greatest of all time boxers in world history!!

[TonyGe]

Pac's resume' is airtight fort knox. Hard to break. Even Duran's can't come close to Pac's accomplishments.

If Duran is in the top 10. Pac is inside that nearer to the front.

Most reputable boxing observers rank Duran over Pacquiao. That could change because there is a tendency not to rank current fighters too highly but as if now most P4P lists have Duran higher up.

[HandsofIron]

Imagine if Pacquiao quit in the middle of a fight against one of his greatest rivals. Like your supposed boxing GOAT did.

Duran redeemed himself by capturing titles at 154 and 160, without catchweights, well above his max weight.

And speaking of rivals, Duran beat his in SRL. Was Pacquiao able to beat his rival in Mayweather? No, he lost and even if he had won, Pac still wouldn't be on par with Duran.

[Spoon23]

Most reputable boxing observers rank Duran over Pacquiao. That could change because there is a tendency not to rank current fighters too highly but as if now most P4P lists have Duran higher up.

You should know once a fighter is retired that's when historians and boxing experts ponder on the work he's done.

But, at this point its a no brainer how much Pac has achieved in his career. Stuff of legends that even the great Duran wish he had.

[thedarkdragon11]

Comparing GrandPac to the great "Manos de Piedra" Duran? Seriously? Not even close...

[Spoon23]

Comparing GrandPac to the great "Manos de Piedra" Duran? Seriously? Not even close...

Yup it isn't. I have much love for Duran. But it's a mountain to climb to reach Pac's accomplishments. 8 division. Fighter of the Decade. 5 lineal titles. Beaten more p4p champs in his career than any fighter who ever laced up.

Did Duran ever reached that heights? Not even close.

Not to mention this one below,

International:
2000–2009 Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Decade[254]
2000–2009 HBO Fighter of the Decade[255]
2001–2010 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Decade[256]
2001–2010 World Boxing Organization Best Pound-for-Pound Fighter of the Decade[257]
2006, 2008 and 2009 Boxing Writers Association of America's Fighter of the Year[254][258]
2006, 2008 and 2009 ESPN Fighter of the Year[259]
2006, 2008 and 2009 The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year[260]
2008 Yahoo! Sports Fighter of the Year[261]
2008 and 2009 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions[262]
2008 and 2009 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Year[263][264]
2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 The Ring No.1 Pound-for-Pound (year-end)
2009 ESPN Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)[265]
2009 and 2011 ESPY Awards Best Fighter[266]
2009 and 2015 Forbes magazine World's Highest-Paid Athletes (ranked 6th and 2nd)[267][268]
2009 Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year[269]
2009 The Ring Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)
2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes and Icons Category)[270]
2009, 2010, 2012 and 2015 Forbes magazine Celebrity 100 (The World's Most Powerful Celebrity) (ranked 57th, 55th, 33rd and 2nd)[271]
2010 World Boxing Organization Fighter of the Year[272]
2010 Yahoo! Sports Boxing's Most Influential (ranked 25th) [273]
2011 Las Vegas Walk of Stars Awardee[274]
2011 Guinness World Records Most boxing world titles in different weight divisions (8 times; since November 13, 2010) [275]
2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016 Reader's Digest Asia Pacific Most Trusted Sports Personality [276][277]
2014 PublicAffairsAsia HP Gold Standard Award for Communicator of the Year [278]
2015 Asia Society's Asia Game Changer of the Year[279]
2016 Forbes magazine Boxing's MVPs (ranked 4th)[280]
National:
2000–09 Philippine Sportswriters Association Athlete of the Decade[281]
2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2008 PSA Sportsman of the Year
2003 Presidential Medal of Merit
2003 and 2010 Congressional Medal of Achievement / Distinction / Honor
2006 Order of Lakandula with the rank of "Champion for Life" (Kampeon Habambuhay)[77]
2006 Eastwood City Walk of Fame Awardee
2008 Philippine Legion of Honor with the rank of "Officer" (Pinuno)[282]
2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence[283]
2009 25th Philippine Movie Press Club Star Awards for Movies Newsmaker of the Year[284]
2009 Order of Sikatuna with the rank of Datu (Grand Cross with Gold Distinction)[77]
2011 Gabriel "Flash" Elorde Memorial "Quintessential Athlete" Award
2017 Bawas Bisyo Youth for Sin Tax Movement anti-smoking champion[285]

Major world titles[edit]
WBC flyweight champion (112 lbs)
IBF super bantamweight champion (122 lbs)
WBC super featherweight champion (130 lbs)
WBC lightweight champion (135 lbs)
WBO welterweight champion (147 lbs) (4×)
WBC super welterweight champion (154 lbs)
Minor world titles[edit]
IBO light welterweight champion (140 lbs)
The Ring magazine titles[edit]
The Ring featherweight champion (126 lbs)
The Ring super featherweight champion (130 lbs)
The Ring light welterweight champion (140 lbs)
Lineal titles[edit]
Lineal flyweight champion (112 lbs)
Lineal featherweight champion (126 lbs)
Lineal super featherweight champion (130 lbs)
Lineal light welterweight champion (140 lbs)
Lineal welterweight champion (147 lbs)
Regional titles[edit]
OPBF flyweight champion (112 lbs)
WBC International super bantamweight champion (122 lbs)
WBC International super featherweight champion (130 lbs)
WBO International welterweight champion (147 lbs) (2×)
Honorary titles[edit]
WBC Emeritus super featherweight champion
WBC Diamond welterweight champion
WBO Super champion (2×)
WBO Commemorative International welterweight champion[223][224][225]
WBO Diamond welterweight Super Champion[226][227]
WBA Man of Triumph Rhodium welterweight champion[228][229]
WBO Legacy welterweight champion[230]

Yall must have forgot dummies