Does Kovalev have ATG resume?

[hmc87]

Anyone saying that first fight was really even debatable is the one doing the 'fellating' lol...and to act like everything that happened in the 2nd fight was on the up and up...I mean if that's what you want to tell yourself man, go ahead, I won't stop ya...an ending like that, especially after the 1st fight, a real man would have given a 3rd fight right away, especially since it would have sold well.

And I just trust what my eyes tell me...Ward got outboxed 8-4 (being generous) in fight 1...and was getting outboxed about 5-2 in fight 2 before the controversial ending...not every shot was low but some definitely were, and the ones that ended it definitely were.

I think Kov should have handled the tactics better so I don't really give him a pass...but yeah in a neutral setting Ward is possibly DQd there and at least penalized/Kov given time to recover.

Hilarious btw that you think posting gay **** on a public forum is owning someone lol...you had to search for and download that right now to try and 'show me'...or even worse you have that saved on your computer...for what reason I have no idea...well I have an idea but yeah it's disgusting lol.

Enjoy that ban I guess man...I won't be reporting you but I'm sure someone will.

Kovalev turned his back to Ward, pleaded with ref multiple times regarding beltline shots, and literally bent over before sitting on the ropes.

The punch that ended it was a straight to the jaw. Everything after that was icing on the cake.

A trilogy wouldve been great, but Ward retired. It's not like he went on facing bums...he stopped fighting altogether.

1st fight shouldve been Kovy if nothing else than for the KD. Ward can make a case for 6 rounds in that fight though

[joseph5620]

What are you talking about

And he was also ahead on all 3 official scorecards after the first fight...what happens in the ring and what gets scored are not always the same thing, and I know you know this.

To put another way...Kov won the punch count round by round 9-7...16-10...11-9...surely you would give him 2/3 of those.

Then 10-14 (Ward outlanding Kov)...14-9...12-7...and 11-4.

Punches landed aren't everything but they often times tell the story...winning 6/7 rounds on the punch stats...4 of them by 5+ punches...I mean to say Andre deserved to be up at that point...

I just don't really get it unless you are biased and looking for any way to get him a round...not accusing you of that but yeah can't see how anyone could possibly have him legitimately up after 7...5-2 Kov pretty clearly the right score imo.

You're the last person who should talk about bias when it comes to Kovalev and Golovkin. You compared Kovalev's resume to Thomas Hearns as if they're equal. That speaks for itself.

[QueensburyRules]

34W 29ko 3L(2ko) 1D

- -If you gotta ask, you don't deserve to know.

[Pigeons]

His resume is pretty nice when you really dig in to it. Knocked Cleverly out in 4 in Wales. Gave him his first L while on enemy territory at that. Hopkins was 49 but had unified the LHW division. His only losses were to Calzaghe and Dawson by decision in the previous 10 years. Then he knocked out Pascal twice and Pascal has made it a long career. Two close misses against Ward followed and then a surprise knockout loss to Eleider Alvarez which he immediately avenged.


ATG? God no. He'd need to beat Canelo and unify 175 to even enter the discussion.

[Boxing_1013]

Kovalev turned his back to Ward, pleaded with ref multiple times regarding beltline shots, and literally bent over before sitting on the ropes.

The punch that ended it was a straight to the jaw. Everything after that was icing on the cake.

A trilogy wouldve been great, but Ward retired. It's not like he went on facing bums...he stopped fighting altogether.

1st fight shouldve been Kovy if nothing else than for the KD. Ward can make a case for 6 rounds in that fight though

Yeah I don't think Kov handled those tactics well in fight 2...it ended up being a smart gameplan from Ward...I do think the home field advantage there helped him to get away with some low shots.

Which is a big advantage because if you get warned/penalized for going low (which I feel he should have been but just my 2 cents), then you can't really afford to keep going to the body...and as you mentioned many shots Ward landed appeared to be clean and on the beltline at worst.

I think he could have proven a lot of people wrong - me included - had he gone on to fight his mando Beterbiev or a couple other young stars who were coming up and are now at 175...but I don't know how his body was feeling so I have no real judgment on any of it.

The fact though that he was apparently trying to fight Bellew or some other guy at CW or even do some tune ups and take on Joshua...was a little off-putting when I felt the real fights for him were there at 175.

Right before that shot to the jaw, Kov was doubled over and complaining about the low shots...which I don't think were low...but maybe some of the low shots took a toll on him there..hard to say...but I do think he was hurting downstairs and that is what left him open to the shot upstairs.

Man no offense - but I remember watching that Ward-Kov fight, eager to see who the better man was...two men of equal billing were squaring off, and I just couldn't make a call on who would win...I watched tape on both for hours to try and figure out who would win.

When the bell rang - I just said, let the best man win...and it was pretty clear imo who the better man was that night...Ward was getting embarrassed the first 6 rounds...I felt bad for him...and the last 6 I felt good for him that he scrapped his way in there and fought even the last 6 rounds...I just don't see how anyone can give him more than 4 rounds in that fight.

I thought the whole fight may go the way of the last 6 rounds...where Kov was somewhat neutralized but still maybe just outboxing Ward...but I felt Ward would get the benefit of doubt in the close rounds since he always seems to, and since he was at home...sorry I just can't see a way to getting more than 4 rounds for him in fight 1 unless I was being really biased.

[Boxing_1013]

You're the last person who should talk about bias when it comes to Kovalev and Golovkin. You compared Kovalev's resume to Thomas Hearns as if they're equal. That speaks for itself.

Man I'm really sorry if I hurt your feelings by comparing two similarly great fighters...Tommy was actually one of my all time favorites.

I also mentioned specifically (maybe read it again if you need an education ....where they were similar and different.

Great as Tommy was - as great as his run through the weight classes was - can you name me 1 great win other than Duran?

You can't...not without having to admit that Kov has a very similar resume, and if he was (rightfully) given the nod over Ward in fight 1, he would have his signature win as well.

But if you want to sulk about two great, but flawed, fighters getting compared to one another, don't let me stop ya

[Boxing_1013]

You're the last person who should talk about bias when it comes to Kovalev and Golovkin. You compared Kovalev's resume to Thomas Hearns as if they're equal. That speaks for itself.

No one here brought up GGG...just living in your head rent free I guess lol

[hmc87]

Yeah I don't think Kov handled those tactics well in fight 2...it ended up being a smart gameplan from Ward...I do think the home field advantage there helped him to get away with some low shots.

Which is a big advantage because if you get warned/penalized for going low (which I feel he should have been but just my 2 cents), then you can't really afford to keep going to the body...and as you mentioned many shots Ward landed appeared to be clean and on the beltline at worst.

I think he could have proven a lot of people wrong - me included - had he gone on to fight his mando Beterbiev or a couple other young stars who were coming up and are now at 175...but I don't know how his body was feeling so I have no real judgment on any of it.

The fact though that he was apparently trying to fight Bellew or some other guy at CW or even do some tune ups and take on Joshua...was a little off-putting when I felt the real fights for him were there at 175.

Right before that shot to the jaw, Kov was doubled over and complaining about the low shots...which I don't think were low...but maybe some of the low shots took a toll on him there..hard to say...but I do think he was hurting downstairs and that is what left him open to the shot upstairs.

Man no offense - but I remember watching that Ward-Kov fight, eager to see who the better man was...two men of equal billing were squaring off, and I just couldn't make a call on who would win...I watched tape on both for hours to try and figure out who would win.

When the bell rang - I just said, let the best man win...and it was pretty clear imo who the better man was that night...Ward was getting embarrassed the first 6 rounds...I felt bad for him...and the last 6 I felt good for him that he scrapped his way in there and fought even the last 6 rounds...I just don't see how anyone can give him more than 4 rounds in that fight.

I thought the whole fight may go the way of the last 6 rounds...where Kov was somewhat neutralized but still maybe just outboxing Ward...but I felt Ward would get the benefit of doubt in the close rounds since he always seems to, and since he was at home...sorry I just can't see a way to getting more than 4 rounds for him in fight 1 unless I was being really biased.

Kov was beautiful in the 1st fight. Excellent use of jab. My favorite action in the 1st fight was when Ward was winding up his right arm, mocking Kov, and Kov hit him w/ a stiff jab. Was lol as fuck imo

In the rematch Kov complained so many times, some on belt and some low, that it was confusing. Then turning his back to Ward. It was shameful and Kovs whole demeanor in the rematch was different

Tony Weekes is a horrible ref imo and 100% should've done a standing 8 count. Awful stoppage. I cant hold that against Ward tho

[joseph5620]

Man I'm really sorry if I hurt your feelings by comparing two similarly great fighters...Tommy was actually one of my all time favorites.

I also mentioned specifically (maybe read it again if you need an education ....where they were similar and different.

Great as Tommy was - as great as his run through the weight classes was - can you name me 1 great win other than Duran?

You can't...not without having to admit that Kov has a very similar resume, and if he was (rightfully) given the nod over Ward in fight 1, he would have his signature win as well.

But if you want to sulk about two great, but flawed, fighters getting compared to one another, don't let me stop ya

Looks like you're a lot more hurt than I am since you responded to a sentence with paragraphs. You once created a thread asking why Golovkin gets hate. But I'm the one that's hurt? LOL


Hearns and Kovalev are not similar at all and the fact that your're comparing their careers is beyond ******.


By the way, Hearns also beat Wilfred Benitez. So obviously you don't know as much about Hearns as you claim. Also, Benitez and Duran were not 50 years old when Hearns did it. Hearns win over Virgil Hill at light Heavyweight alone is better than any win on Kovalev's resume

[Ritz Kola]

Hof resume but not AtG.
Resume's will make a fighter a Hall of Famer.
W's on that resume will make a fighter an AtG.
Thats the difference. He doesn't have the Ws yet, but he can still try to get a few.