Does Kovalev have ATG resume?

[Boxing_1013]

Kov was beautiful in the 1st fight. Excellent use of jab. My favorite action in the 1st fight was when Ward was winding up his right arm, mocking Kov, and Kov hit him w/ a stiff jab. Was lol as fuck imo

In the rematch Kov complained so many times, some on belt and some low, that it was confusing. Then turning his back to Ward. It was shameful and Kovs whole demeanor in the rematch was different

Tony Weekes is a horrible ref imo and 100% should've done a standing 8 count. Awful stoppage. I cant hold that against Ward tho

Yeah even the way it ended was kind of awful all around for everyone...I mean those last couple shots were pretty clearly low...to end it on those shots, as some have said, kind of robbed Ward of a more legit finish in the fight.

We could argue about whether Ward should have been penalized for earlier low shots etc...and whether Kov should have handled the shots and tactics better...but I think it really would have been a great end to the fight if Weeks had recognized those last couple low shots...given Kov his 5 minutes to recover (would have been generous in a way to Kov as he was clearly tired/hurt at that point, but the rules would have given him that luxury).

And then we could have seen if Kov had anything left, and if Ward could get the stoppage and finish without any controversy...that fight is just confirmation bias for a lot of us...if you think Ward was protected and dirty, that fight confirmed it...if you think Ward was great then that fight confirmed it...we can all just see what we want to see sometimes, myself included.

[Boxing_1013]

Looks like you're a lot more hurt than I am since you responded to a sentence with paragraphs. You once created a thread asking why Golovkin gets hate. But I'm the one that's hurt? LOL


Hearns and Kovalev are not similar at all and the fact that your're comparing their careers is beyond ******.


By the way, Hearns also beat Wilfred Benitez. So obviously you don't know as much about Hearns as you claim. Also, Benitez and Duran were not 50 years old when Hearns did it. Hearns win over Virgil Hill at light Heavyweight alone is better than any win on Kovalev's resume

? You responded to me so I responded to you...I'm a man and you made a comment towards me, so I was giving you the courtesy of a response.

I don't recall the thread you're referring to specifically...but yeah a lot of the hate GGG gets seems not based in reality and based on tribal factors imo...I have posted a few threads and comments before to try and hold a mirror up to people's faces in a way, perhaps to expose some biases to them that they previously didn't realize.

We can all have our blind spots so as someone who has no real skin in the game, I try and help some out in a way with some posts...I think most people who 'hate' on here do so because it is a vicious cycle of the chicken or the egg..and we can all get caught up in it...so a lot of times people will view a good fighter from another tribe as the enemy and try and slight everything they do while over-hyping everything with their fighter...kind of like what you are doing here with Kov, tbh.

Honestly my friend from your responses I just don't think you are a very reasonable guy...you seem intent on maintaining certain narratives about 'your' fighters regardless of what the facts show....someone like Kov will always be docked points by you..while someone like Hearns will always be given bonus points...no offense but that is fan-boy stuff as far really being a real boxing anaylst.

To say that Hearns and Kovalev are not similar talents, with similar flaws, I mean I think you are the one being unreasonable...in insisting that a MD win over Benitez, who was 1-2 in his next 3 with 2 bad losses...and a win over Virgil Hill (who) are these legendary wins that would vault Hearns over someone like Kovalev.

That would be like me hyping the Hopkins wins, or Pascal wins, or Chilemba win...or obviously mentioning that Kov clearly beat Ward in the first fight and even the 2nd fight was pretty clearly outboxing Andre before the controversial ending...to hype those wins but ignore the good work Kov has done, just makes you seem really biased imo.

I just call it like I see it man...and I think sometimes (as perhaps you realized when you tried to tout the Benitez and Hill wins) when you look at what some of the past 'greats' did...it doesn't necessarily blow you away, or blow some current fighters out of the water.

I'm not sure if you are very tribal or a nostalgist..or both...but I think you are the one who looks foolish in trying to say that Hearns and Kov have not had very similar careers, successes, and failures.

Anyway hope you have a great day!

[Boxing_1013]

Looks like you're a lot more hurt than I am since you responded to a sentence with paragraphs. You once created a thread asking why Golovkin gets hate. But I'm the one that's hurt? LOL


Hearns and Kovalev are not similar at all and the fact that your're comparing their careers is beyond ******.


By the way, Hearns also beat Wilfred Benitez. So obviously you don't know as much about Hearns as you claim. Also, Benitez and Duran were not 50 years old when Hearns did it. Hearns win over Virgil Hill at light Heavyweight alone is better than any win on Kovalev's resume

Pretty sure I figured it out with you btw...looks like you responded to me in another thread like months ago when I mentioned how some greats like Hagler and Hearns have 'bad' losses.

When you challenged that I wrote another response that just explained what Hagler for one did well and maybe didn't do so well...my guess is you took that personal because as I judged, you try and hype your fighters over all others, and tbh man I think that is some ho sh.it and not something I do or take seriously in another man.

But no hard feelings and I wish you well, sincerely!

[Boxing_1013]

Ward was ahead on two of the three scorecards. You can't just make up your own scorecard as if it's official.

This is a lie I see repeated by people that don't watch fights and only look up the result. Andrade clearly beat Vanes. It wasn't even close.The one judge that scored against him was heavily criticized and the commentary stated he would probably never get hired for a championship fight again.

Well well well... lol just messing with my friend...but maybe a little humble pie for ya

[Real King Kong]

Atg? His resume is not even particularly good.

[hmc87]

Yeah even the way it ended was kind of awful all around for everyone...I mean those last couple shots were pretty clearly low...to end it on those shots, as some have said, kind of robbed Ward of a more legit finish in the fight.

We could argue about whether Ward should have been penalized for earlier low shots etc...and whether Kov should have handled the shots and tactics better...but I think it really would have been a great end to the fight if Weeks had recognized those last couple low shots...given Kov his 5 minutes to recover (would have been generous in a way to Kov as he was clearly tired/hurt at that point, but the rules would have given him that luxury).

And then we could have seen if Kov had anything left, and if Ward could get the stoppage and finish without any controversy...that fight is just confirmation bias for a lot of us...if you think Ward was protected and dirty, that fight confirmed it...if you think Ward was great then that fight confirmed it...we can all just see what we want to see sometimes, myself included.

Ward is good not great. Kovalev is good not great. Both are HOF and borderline ATG