Comments Thread For: Golovkin-Derevyanchenko Formally Ordered By The IBF

[Haewood32]

I don’t think ggg looked very good vs rolls. Looked slow to me. Also didn’t he fight rolls at 164? Maybe he didn’t take it serious, I dunno. Is he gonna struggle to make 160? Not sure if SD can beat em but now might be his best chance.

[aboutfkntime]

Dude I don't really listen to anything you have to say boxing-analysis wise...no offense though...you are a good fan in the sense that you have a lot of passion for the sport, but as far as making sense goes, you are lacking my buddy ...still love ya though.

but, you think someone would listen to the guy who said this.....

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Boxing1013..... PERSONAL WALL OF ******ITY
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thinks that Golovkin has a better resume than Canelo.....

I just made a thread about specifically why people rate Canelo's resume as better than GGG's...and I laid out my case as to why I rate GGG's better.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=820918

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thinks that one of the " killers " on Golovkin's resume could have beaten Canelo.... but he will not say which one LMAO

I don't think Canelo would have gotten all of his guys out by KO and maybe would not have 'won' all of them.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...820918&page=10

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thinks that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley, are for Canelo.....

Canelo's top wins would be Lara..Jacobs and Cotto imo...GGG's would be Jacobs, Murray and Lemieux...I don't see a ton of separation there..... winning 7-5 vs a great Lara...and going 12 with a shot fat Cotto...is not imo better than 8 Round destruction of Lemieux...and 11 round destruction of Murray..... Vanes was inactive and moving up in weight...but he wasn't shot like SSM more or less was..... I don't think going 12 with Mosley when Canelo did, or 12 with Trout, are better wins than GGG running through Monroe and Geale.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...820918&page=16

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thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika Barrera and Miranda

I just never really saw the skills from him..... if he was born in a different country I don't think he would have been looked at much differently than Bika Barrera or Miranda etc.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...2#post19903762

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thinks that Golovkin has 5-6 'great' wins..... but cannot even name 1 of those 'great' wins

Yeah he has about 10+ good wins imo...and 5-6 'great' wins if you want to term it that...great fighter, great career...an ATG at MW...that's pretty clear I think..... If a great win is a dominant win over another prime great fighter...I would say GGG has quite a few tbh.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...821123&page=20

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creates a thread misquoting Steve Weisfeld.....

Boxing1013 attempted to remove defence, ring generalship, and effective aggression, as official scoring criteria..... to justify why he thinks Golovkin beat Canelo in their rematch..... but, had NO IDEA that Steve Weisfeld was AN OFFICIAL JUDGE at the Canelo/Golovkin rematch..... and Weisfeld scored that fight for Canelo looool
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=818903

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I have a proven history of being mostly correct, including picks

you have a proven history of ******ity

[aboutfkntime]

The usual bla, but the fact is that GGG has already beat Jacobs who comfortably beat Dervy. Dervy is simply not on GGG's level, why would he be afraid to fight him? That is the question you need to answer.

nah bro

if Golovkin was not afraid of losing, why would be duck Derevy ?

especially if the guy..... " is simply not on GGG's level "..... ?

That is the question you need to answer.

[Ake-Dawg]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chor...anchenko.0.pdf

Official letter from Team Dervy - they wanted the fight, but not on May 5th from whatever I've read...in the lead up to the actual fight it became clear that 1 month was not enough time for another 'top' fighter to train and negotiate money...I remember reading an article or two to that affect with regards to Andrade and Dervy.

With all due respect man...the 2nd article is almost a month after GGG-Vanes happened, and right before the IBF had to make the decision to strip GGG lol...of course both sides were going to be slinging whatever they could at each other to try and make their case...there are 3 sides to every story, as they say.

Again that letter that Connolly referenced...that I posted there...there is no reference to Dervy wanting to come in on May 5th...they wanted the fight obviously, but not on those terms.

Yeah if GGG-Canelo 2 happened in May...then I guess Dervy would have been next...but in any event I can't be mad at a guy (who had already been strung out in recent negotiations with Canelo and Jacobs, and in boxing terms was an old man at 35+ years old) who decided to take on a late replacement to save the date, and then decide to take on his biggest rival in a money/grudge/legacy fight a few months later.

So his team said that he wanted to fight on the 5th. Loffler never sent a contract to them for the 5th. But you are hanging your hat a letter to the IBF that doesn't say that they wanted to fight Golovkin on the 5th. For them the only thing that matters was that they were his next Golovkin wasn't fighting Alvarez.

[jdp28tx]

Why does the ibf think so highly of dervey? In slightly over a yr both ggg and Canelo were stripped to give him a title shot. He's not even a top 5 middleweight.

More than likely the IBF is getting bribed by Derevyanchenko's people.

[jdp28tx]

That's because a purse bid "usually" dictates 35% to the mando...and you're out of your mind if you think SD deserves 35% of a canelo purse. I don't blame Canelo honestly...you can say its the rules, but it's not a fair rule and SD suffered for trying to play his cards like an idiot. Canelo, Pac, and Floyd all brought high income to fights... then never gave 35% splits to people afaik. People took 3-5 mil and were happy because they knew they didn't make it a "mega fight". From what's reported SD was offered 5.5 mil wanted 7 mil and Canelo's team said no. That being said if he doesn't make 7 million to fight GGG he looks like a duck and/or idiot because he's not some important figure in the division to demand 7 million.

The economics of boxing have become totally out of wack. PBC deserves the blame for this when they tried to takeover boxing a few years ago and failed. They were and still are over paying fighters and they lose money on just about every fight they have.

Other fighters not in PBC started demanded PBC type money even though it made 0 economic sense to the promoter. This is why Garcia left Top Rank. Now it is happening in DAZN. No way in hell does SD deserve $5.5 million let alone $7 million. Canelo brings in more money than GGG so why the hell would anyone pay SD $5.5 or $7 million to fight GGG.

I have a feeling PBC is pushing SD to do this. I think PBC is trying to isolate Canelo. Get him stripped of his titles, take away any opponents he may face by pricing themselves out. If PBC can't have Canelo then they will try and destroy Canelo and GB. DAZN's absolute incompetency is actually helping PBC achieve this goal.

[j.razor]

I figure this should end up happening because Golovkin is already up in Big Bear training. Let's get some of these fights rolling because this division is a ****ing stalemate right now.

No they did it to give Pvssy-g an easier road to a belt to make the Nelo fight again but Nelo should say NO, he will not fight Pvssy-g ever again.

[j.razor]

Poor ThorNelo left out in the cold to eat some more tacos or try to weight drain more LHWs. Too bad.

Pvssy-g, that's all I got to say

[j.razor]

This IBF is a ****** joke in the sport.
They're wasting people's time by complicating things.
Derevyanchenko was already defeated by Jacobs,
whom GGG and Canelo already dismantled.

Fans want to see Derevy against guys like Charlo, Lemieux, Andrade, Brant, Murata, etc...
Forget about Canelo and GGG...
Let these 2nd/3rd tier fighters fight each other first before pitting them against the top 2..

1st time I agree with you, keep up the good work..lol

[Boxing_1013]

So his team said that he wanted to fight on the 5th. Loffler never sent a contract to them for the 5th. But you are hanging your hat a letter to the IBF that doesn't say that they wanted to fight Golovkin on the 5th. For them the only thing that matters was that they were his next Golovkin wasn't fighting Alvarez.

I mean it's just all semantics man and I don't really understand the over the top criticism on this one...SD and his team could have sent in a contract as well for May 5th...I don't know if they did.

Whether or not SD would have fought on May 5th is an opinion ya know...based on what I've seen, both with that negotiation and with other SD negotiations, I personally don't think he would have taken the fight on May 5th.

And even if he would have I don't blame GGG and his team for taking on Vanes instead...again I think if G did fight SD then all the people giving G flack now would say he was ducking Andrade instead...if people really want to hate they can find a reason ya know...I just try to treat every situation and fighter objectively and go from there.