Is Pacquiao this generation’s Roberto Duran?

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  • Roadblock
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    #121
    The question is could these guys beat Duran.

    JMM by KO
    Tim Bradley by pts
    Jeff Horn by pts
    TorreCampo by KO.

    Duran would make a meal of Manny from 130 up.

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      #122
      Originally posted by Flo_Raiden
      He showed fast footwork against SRL in the first fight. And also against movers like Bizarro and Fernandez. His footwork is actually underrated these days. He couldn’t catch SRL because of things we don’t know, but it’s known that he over indulged himself prior to the rematch to the point that he was not in his best shape.

      And I’m sorry but I just can’t envision Pac being able to handle someone like Hagler, even if they were the same size. That’s just me.

      Pac is definitely a rare breed, but so is Duran. I just think Duran edges Pac skill wise and achievement wise. We’ll agree to disagree.

      Forgot to add. Duran won the first fight with SRL because Sugar played his game and made it a slug fest. The second fight wasn't. SRL boxed and Duran couldn't catch him. Meaning, Duran had poor footwork for boxers who fights at a distance and uses the whole ring. Pac has great footwork. That's a huge factor on why Duran can't be top 3 for me. He lacks those quick dynamic feet. Manny has that in spades.

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        #123
        Originally posted by Spoon23

        Forgot to add. Duran won the first fight with SRL because Sugar played his game and made it a slug fest. The second fight wasn't. SRL boxed and Duran couldn't catch him. Meaning, Duran had poor footwork for boxers who fights at a distance and uses the whole ring. Pac has great footwork. That's a huge factor on why Duran can't be top 3 for me. He lacks those quick dynamic feet. Manny has that in spades.
        You just described Manny vs Floyd, Mannys footwork could never catch Floyds glad you can see it.

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          #124
          Originally posted by Roadblock

          You just described Manny vs Floyd, Mannys footwork could never catch Floyds glad you can see it.
          lol that was different. Floyd was allowed to foul clinch the whole night. HUGE difference. Try again.

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          • Tony Trick-Pony
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            #125
            Originally posted by War Room

            Cool your jets there chief.

            You cannot run down everyones resume and sound legit, thats the biggest load of shet people say that can't stand on two legs. If it don't work in your favor, it doesn't work in anybody's favor, fcuk out of here with the parenting bullshet. The wins on Durans record isn't that god man, just the facts. Yes, he fought everybody in their prime (Manny didn't), but he came up short on most of the wins.

            I'm on board with Manny's record that they picked most of his best opponents when they were at their weakest, but the fact remains his winning resume ON PAPER shets on Durans minus Leonard. I'll even put *'s on the names I think were hand picked at their weakest.

            MAB*, Morales*, JMM (I thought JMM won all and got a draw in #1), Hatton*, Oscar*, Cotto*, Margarito, Bradley, Thurman, Mosley*.

            Let me show you how a real boxing aficianado does it because guys like you disagree with every molecule in a debate with the other side and never gives and inch. I'll agrtee to what's agreeable and I'll do that now ---> would the best Duran beat the best Manny, maybe ---> but it's close to a pick 'em. The odds would be close, Duran maybe -200 favorite, maybe -175. Duran never fought anybody like Manny. Manny has flaws that work for him.
            Freddy Roach said Manny wouldn't be Duran...chief. Haha. And you're one to talk about the parenting bull s h i t....chief.

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              #126
              Originally posted by Tony Trick-Pony

              Freddy Roach said Manny wouldn't be Duran...chief. Haha. And you're one to talk about the parenting bull s h i t....chief.
              Freddy is old school nostalgia, those morons think Armstrong is the best fighter ever then you go look at film of Armstrong in his prime and he looks like a ham & egger ---> chief. So yea, fcuk Freddy ---> chief.

              Yea, I said parents are like you're both at fault style reprimand and don't want to focus on who did exactly what so nobodies wittle fweelings get hurt ---> chief.

              And yea, I grew up watching Sanford & Son ---> kid.

              You thought you had old Warm Room all buttoned up and figured out, but really you're just an imposter who just got their shet pushed in.

              I don't even like Manny that much, hated him for most of his career because of how Trampler (bet you don't even know who that it without Googling it) picked his opponents at their weakest, but now with the current landscape, I like Manny more but at the end of the day not really a fan.

              I grew up with Duran on my television and facts are he doesn't have great wins. Great fighter, exciting fighter, resume wins are weak.

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                #127
                Originally posted by War Room

                Freddy is old school nostalgia, those morons think Armstrong is the best fighter ever then you go look at film of Armstrong in his prime and he looks like a ham & egger ---> chief. So yea, fcuk Freddy ---> chief.

                Yea, I said parents are like you're both at fault style reprimand and don't want to focus on who did exactly what so nobodies wittle fweelings get hurt ---> chief.

                And yea, I grew up watching Sanford & Son ---> kid.

                You thought you had old Warm Room all buttoned up and figured out, but really you're just an imposter who just got their shet pushed in.

                I don't even like Manny that much, hated him for most of his career because of how Trampler (bet you don't even know who that it without Googling it) picked his opponents at their weakest, but now with the current landscape, I like Manny more but at the end of the day not really a fan.

                I grew up with Duran on my television and facts are he doesn't have great wins. Great fighter, exciting fighter, resume wins are weak.
                Who has great wins? Since Duran's wins are weak, show me a fighter's wins who are not weak. It's easy to knock somebody until you start comparing. Trampler is Bruce Trampler I think? I'm not real sure to be honest. I know more of the fighters in boxing than the business people. I don't pay a lot of attention to them. It's like threads I see about the business side so often. I admit I don't pay much attention to that. I just like to watch the fights. I didn't hate Manny but I hated when he beat Morales. Haha. I loved Morales but I got over it and decided that he had to be pretty damn good to knock Morales out. That was a special win I thought and he had several special wins after that. I've always thought Manny's style was exciting the way he moves around and is hard to hit but then lands those big left hands and I like how he developed his right hook, too. If I were to list Manny's top five wins, I'd say they were De La Hoya, Morales (2 and 3), Barrera, Thurman (given his age) and Hatton. But of course, I can knock those anytime. Morales is the big one since he wasn't much out of his prime in my opnion but Morales often chose to fight instead of box which resulted in him taking more damage than he had to as he did with Manny in the last round of their first fight. De La Hoya was old of course, as was Barrera. Thurman's never been that great and Hatton probably isn't looking like a hall-of-famer. Haha. Pretty to easy to say these are weak wins. Mayweather? I'd say Corrales, Pacquioa, Mosley, DLH and Marquez. Corrales was never that great and Mayweather did his share of running in that fight and really just seemed to wear him down. I don't think Corrales ever had an ounce of fear of Mayweather. With Pac, again, he ran quite a bit. With Mosley and DLH, they were well past it and DLH arguably won. Marquez was a much smaller man coming up. So, it's easy to discredit any win really with the exception of Duran's win over Leonard. That's the type of victory Pac and May do not have. I will say though, that if Pac beats Spence, that will be extraordinary and I would compare it with Duran-Leonard I. Time will tell...

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                • Tony Trick-Pony
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                  #128
                  Originally posted by Spoon23

                  Forgot to add. Duran won the first fight with SRL because Sugar played his game and made it a slug fest. The second fight wasn't. SRL boxed and Duran couldn't catch him. Meaning, Duran had poor footwork for boxers who fights at a distance and uses the whole ring. Pac has great footwork. That's a huge factor on why Duran can't be top 3 for me. He lacks those quick dynamic feet. Manny has that in spades.
                  I love how this is put. Duran couldn't catch him. Hahahaha. Very true. Leonard ran like a dog. Haha.

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                    #129
                    Originally posted by Roadblock
                    The question is could these guys beat Duran.

                    JMM by KO
                    Tim Bradley by pts
                    Jeff Horn by pts
                    TorreCampo by KO.

                    Duran would make a meal of Manny from 130 up.
                    I’m huge Floyd fan and think he among top 10 in skills

                    anyways I imagine what Floyd Duran would be

                    Duran one of 3 without a size advantage I could see beating Floyd at least once in a trilogy

                    the others being Henry Armstrong and Pernell Whitaker

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                    • Tony Trick-Pony
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                      #130
                      Originally posted by Roadblock
                      The question is could these guys beat Duran.

                      JMM by KO
                      Tim Bradley by pts
                      Jeff Horn by pts
                      TorreCampo by KO.

                      Duran would make a meal of Manny from 130 up.
                      Hands of Stone would turn Tim into Head of Concussion

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