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He cheated with the handwraps with Cotto. No? And got took in the rematch. Frankie Randall was very washed up at the time. I was never impressed with Cintron and Clottey was decent but not on a high level. He lost his big fights, too.
No he didn't, he smoked Cotto, gave him his first loss and by KO. Beat Frankie Randall, Cintron first loss, Clottey.
And Floyd refused to fight Top Rank fighters becasue of the bad blood with Arum. Arum still owes Floyd 9 million over a dispute with Zab. If you think Flkoyd was scared of Nargarito for a second, you're concussed. Margarito wasn't beating anybody at that time. You even said it yourself, self-owned!!
I've been looking good doing it. Everybody that challenges gets wrecked and hits the road embarassed lmao.
Yea and you care. Jackson is an actor, you hate Floyd cuz he's loud and black, fact.
You just said it was cool when they annouce it, thats it man it's nothing more than that. You ok dude? What do you care?? You like seeing good fights right, so yea you do care. Fcuking retahd lol.
Oscar is a legend in more ways than one. He's forever changed the sport for the better. You're out of your league kid. Shane at 135 beats the dogshet out of Duran, not even close.
IDGAF look at his fights, do yourself a favor and go look at his fights. He's boring, extremely boring. Armstrong would get hammered in modern times.
Floyd stalked his opponents. Yes he moved laterally when he had to, but he was never a runner. I'm beating you mercilessly in your thread and even your bouys are disagreeing with you. YDKSAB, end.
Freitas, Casamayor, Gainer, Garcia (gave Mikeys older bro his first loss by devastating ko), Castillo. Corrales was a beast in his time. How dare you disrespect a passed on legend!
Bro, when you're bested you got to bend the knee. You can't fcuk with me.
Well like I said, I don't keep with all the business, talking side. It's always he said she said. Who cares? Everyone talks s h i t and lies about those things. You don't know who to trust.
I'm definitely not wrecked. Haha. Ease up, man. You've got some knowledge. There's no reason to get arrogant. You end up looking ******.
Oscar changed the sport for the better? I can't agree with that at all. In what way?
Armstrong would hammer everybody just like he did back then. Hammering Hank was a beast. Over two hundred damn fights man.
Robert Garcia as a best win? And you're talking s h i t about Duran? Frietas? Nah. Not much there. Casamayor is decent but man that dude was boring. Gainer. Hahaha. Castillo was great but he got destroyed in 4 in the rematch. This is not the stuff of legends. Duran is a legend. Armstrong is a legend.Comment
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I don't think he did, I had a lot of cheese on that fight and I even called the method.
Matchmaking is fun man, isn't it awesome to hear about the next big fight with two big fighters? If you like seeing big fights, you like matchmaking ---> there is no way around it. You're making it to be more than it is.
Before Oscar the sport was all focused on HW's. Growing up, I thought the better fights were always the smaller guys. Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, etc but back in the day people didn't really care for those fights. Only Leonard was super popular and maybe Hagler. Holmes, Cooney, and the Ali era leftovers still ruled the airwaves. Am I right? Casuals didn't care about the smaller guys and it was the same thing in the 90's until Oscar came into play.
Oscar was so popular housewives with wet panties were into boxing cuz of Oscar and after the olympics the buzz was so huge the focus shifted to his weights and his fights. Oscar was cute, latino, and the story of his mother dying from cancer hit women out there like a ton of *****'s. I detested him at the time, but over time I grew to love his work. He wasn't the typical Mexican and he fought like a black fighter. He was fast and slick, he shook the world.
Now the way has been paved for other greats in the smaller divisions ---> Oscar did that. He challenged the stereotypes and changed the landscape of boxing forever. Not only that, but he showed great business sense, I mean he's a god damned role model. Ok, he likes coke and womens panties, who doesn't! Hanging out with Oscar would be a fcuking blast. Get drunk, do some yayo, and get some Russian hookers, great night lmao.
Armstrong, I mean come on. A lot of guys you wouldn't recognize their names but rando fighters had well over 100 wins and several hundred fights. You had to fight that often back then to put food on the table. Just a quick few to prove my point.- https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/9612
- https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/9437
- https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/9462
- https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/9601
- https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/9603
- https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/9591
Just go look at Armstrongs fights man, don't take my word for it. If you think he's a beast, YDKSAB and that's a fact. He's dogwank mate.
Robert Garcia as one of Corrales best wins, yes. Was a great amateur and a great pro and that's a discussion abourt Corrales, you're changing the goal posts. THIS discussion is about Manny and Duran, NOT Corrales.
Like I said before, at the end of the day Manny's record on paper has better wins than Duran. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Oscar didn't change the non-heavyweight thing. Chavez was big long before Oscar. So was Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, tons of smaller guys making good money. Now, I'm not saying Oscar didn't help. I'm sure he did but heck, the little guys made money before him, too. Let's not gloss it over. Fast and slick. Huh? That's the type of fighter I usually don't like. They tend to bore me, as Oscar did in the Trinidad fight. Man, that was awful and Trinidad was such a beast, too. I was really disappointed in that fight and Oscar coasted at the end of it and paid the price. I was glad he did, too but I was hoping that fight would be great. It's too bad he was such a disappointment there.
Don't give me the boxrec thing. If you're such a long time fan, you know that means nothing. Every guy that comes up now has a nice little padded, unbeaten record and they wouldn't last anytime with some of those grizzled old guys who came up the hard way. I don't pay attention to records. They don't tell the story. And it's not like anybody can just beat over a hundred guys. They really can't. That is exceptional unto itself. Of all the injuries and everything else that goes with such a rough sport, having that many fights proves you are tough as nails and a cut above most fighters, especially in this weak ass era where guys fight once a year.
What's a dogwank? Hahaha.
Robert Garcia was a great pro? Hhmm. And Duran's record wasn't that much. Huh? So let's compare Duran and Robert Garcia. Who had the better career. Hahahahahahaha...
That's fine. I think you're wrong and I'll stick to my story. So it's fine. I believe that Manny and Floyd would not have gotten far in the 60s and 70s when Duran was coming up. Those were much tougher years, with fewer belts and fewer divisions and fewer big paydays. Duran and Leonard and Hearns and Hagler all fought tougher guys than Pac and May ever did. I'll stick to my story too and it's nothing personal man. You can stop with the insults. It weakens the discussion.Comment
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Dude I grew up with those fighters, nobody cared about Chavez fights. he was hardly on terrestrial TV, The only super fights involved Leonard and Hagler had some buzz but nothing like Leonard. Leonard was all over TV with commercials, Hagler had a few commercials too. Nobody besides die hards knew Chanvez. Back in Durans time I never heard of Chavez, it was all Duran. If you weren't on TV or doing commercials, you didn't have much buzz if you weren't a HW. There was newspapers back then man. Hell, I remember being a older teenager and scrambling to the store to read about how Lennox did in fights. I watched boxing every weekend in the 70's, 80's, 90's and into 2000.
Duran was hated by the public because he was an animal, you dont know what you're talking about.
Oscar was way up on the real cards against Trinidad and other fighters for decades before him coasted the final rounds. Oscar have him a boxing lesson.
Look man, YDKSAB. Look at those guys Hagler fought, those guys were bums. I've seen better amateurs than Roldan, Hamsho, Scypian, Minter, etc. Those guys blew. Go watch them on youtube, they suck.
Duran was a far better fighter than Garcia, not gonna fight you there. But Garcia was a pretty dam good fighter.
Manny would have done great, he is so awkward those guys wouldn't know what to do with him. Floyd would have been undefeated in the 60's and 70's. I don't think anybody beats him, not even Leonard. Defensive genius fighters like Floyd come once every 50 years. Hate him all you want, he's a master of the craft and I don't use that word lightly.
Go to post 78 where you started running your mouth calling me a newbie saying I don't know about the old days.
Funny how ti ended up you being the newbie who DKSAB.
You were rattling off names on Durns record nobody even heard of. Japanese fighters, come on dude. What a scam!Comment
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Yeah, Chavez didn't learn English which I think fighters who are trying to be popular and cross over. Duran and Leonard did commercials. Don King pushed the hell out of Chavez though. I remember his big fights in the early 90s with Camacho and when he packed out Azteca stadium. That was huge. Over a hundred thousand people. Unreal. He was making big money for little men in those days. Michael Carbajal and Chiquita Gonzalez were making millions as junior flyweights which was unreal. Oscar helped no doubt but little men have always been part of the sport.
Dude I grew up with those fighters, nobody cared about Chavez fights. he was hardly on terrestrial TV, The only super fights involved Leonard and Hagler had some buzz but nothing like Leonard. Leonard was all over TV with commercials, Hagler had a few commercials too. Nobody besides die hards knew Chanvez. Back in Durans time I never heard of Chavez, it was all Duran. If you weren't on TV or doing commercials, you didn't have much buzz if you weren't a HW. There was newspapers back then man. Hell, I remember being a older teenager and scrambling to the store to read about how Lennox did in fights. I watched boxing every weekend in the 70's, 80's, 90's and into 2000.
Duran was hated by the public because he was an animal, you dont know what you're talking about.
Oscar was way up on the real cards against Trinidad and other fighters for decades before him coasted the final rounds. Oscar have him a boxing lesson.
Look man, YDKSAB. Look at those guys Hagler fought, those guys were bums. I've seen better amateurs than Roldan, Hamsho, Scypian, Minter, etc. Those guys blew. Go watch them on youtube, they suck.
Duran was a far better fighter than Garcia, not gonna fight you there. But Garcia was a pretty dam good fighter.
Manny would have done great, he is so awkward those guys wouldn't know what to do with him. Floyd would have been undefeated in the 60's and 70's. I don't think anybody beats him, not even Leonard. Defensive genius fighters like Floyd come once every 50 years. Hate him all you want, he's a master of the craft and I don't use that word lightly.
Go to post 78 where you started running your mouth calling me a newbie saying I don't know about the old days.
Funny how ti ended up you being the newbie who DKSAB.
You were rattling off names on Durns record nobody even heard of. Japanese fighters, come on dude. What a scam!
Nah, Duran was loved by all of Panama excpet for when he quit. They hated him then but came back around. I loved him. He was ferocious and didn't give a damn. A true warrior through and through.
See, this is where you get it wrong. You act like the guys these guys fought were all bums. You are so wrong about that. The guys Pac and May fought were no better. They had better marketing is all. Look how easy it is for guys to win titles since they are tons of them. They would just be ordinay dudes in Duran's era. I don't see how you've watched boxing this long and haven't noticed how it's gotten worse. The guys these days are paid way more and do not deserve to be. Fighters in earlier eras fought hard and a lot more often and were much tougher. It was much much harder to get a title shot even. Guys today are spoiled compared to those guys. You are blinded by the hype man.
Garcia wasn't terrible. Don't get me wrong. He could fight. But he will always be remembered more for his work as a trainer.
Hahaha. Floyd would have been undefeated because he wouldn't have fought. It would have been too rough for him. Manny would have fought because he's fearless but he would have gotten beaten up bad if he tried to fight over 135. Guys back then were tougher and more brutal and his 8-division thing is merely a product of too many titles and divisions. back then, I'd say he'd be a two-division champ at best.
Japanese fighters? What's wrong with Japanese fighters? So Japanese fighters can't fight? Is that what you're saying?
Ernesto Marcel went on to beat Alexis Arguello. I guess he was a bum, too, though. Haha.
The modern guys are easier to research and were way more hyped and publicized. It doesn't mean they were any better than the older fighters. You have to give some thought to perspective, man. Geez....Comment
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I never saw a Duran commercial in the 80's. Chavez in the 90's I saw, but not in the 80's.
Oscar turned pro in 92' and Carbajal rematched Gonzalez on March 13, 1993. Carbajal and Gonzalez became the first Junior Flyweights in history to earn a million dollar purse, and it was the first Junior Flyweight "superfight" and championship bout to headline a PPV event.
See what I'm saying?
They weren't making millions they made 1 million and it was because of Oscar.
Duran was hated in America who cares about Panama. The global stage hated Duran because he was a ****.
You just can't admit when your wrong, which is wack. Durans wins suck for the most part, its facts. Great fighter, not a lot of great wins. Take Leonard out of there and I htink history forgets Duran and says he lost all the big ones.
You're changing the goal posts with the probems of the modern era, I'm not talking about that. Floyd and Manny aren't part of the issues that plague the sport now. You're changing the goal posts because you've run out of things to try and be right about. Lame!
Floyd would have dominated almost any era, YDKSAB and his skills. You're a corny arsed hater drinking haterade.
Sure, fighters were tougher in the day and so would have been Floyd or Manny if they were subjected to the same conditions, it's relative.
Japanese fighters 90% suck and its always been that way. Stop dude, this is corny already.
Arguello lost to a guy, who cares.
This conversation is wack, you're acting like a child. YDKSAB and just want to argue. Duran was hated in the states, but you got to disagree and say he was loved in Panama, who gives a fcuk about Panama!?!?
You should be paying me for this consultation, I've got better things to do that keep reading you yammering on like a weirdo. Good luck with being a hater and hating stuff.Comment
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I will just say that Duran started his pro career at lightweight and finished it at 168.
Because I see debate Duran would do this, Duran would do that..
When you discuss if Duran could have beaten Floyd Mayweather jr. you must determine which version of Duran are you talking about and which version of Floyd.
A lightweight Duran was a monster, he was also great at 147.Comment
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