Is Pacquiao this generation’s Roberto Duran?

[GrandpaBernard]

Hands of Stone would turn Tim into Head of Concussion

jeff Horn would get aped by duran

duran can fight inside unlike manny and was one mean SOB in the ring

He’d outdirty the mauler Horn if need be

[RuleOfTheSpear]

I will say though, that if Pac beats Spence, that will be extraordinary and I would compare it with Duran-Leonard I. Time will tell...

You know that's not gunna happen. Spence will save you from the trouble of those analogies. Spence knocks him out and has an easier time than Leonard did with Duran 1.

[War Room]

Who has great wins? Since Duran's wins are weak, show me a fighter's wins who are not weak. It's easy to knock somebody until you start comparing. Trampler is Bruce Trampler I think? I'm not real sure to be honest. I know more of the fighters in boxing than the business people. I don't pay a lot of attention to them. It's like threads I see about the business side so often. I admit I don't pay much attention to that. I just like to watch the fights. I didn't hate Manny but I hated when he beat Morales. Haha. I loved Morales but I got over it and decided that he had to be pretty damn good to knock Morales out. That was a special win I thought and he had several special wins after that. I've always thought Manny's style was exciting the way he moves around and is hard to hit but then lands those big left hands and I like how he developed his right hook, too.

If I were to list Manny's top five wins, I'd say they were De La Hoya, Morales (2 and 3), Barrera, Thurman (given his age) and Hatton.

But of course, I can knock those anytime. Morales is the big one since he wasn't much out of his prime in my opnion but Morales often chose to fight instead of box which resulted in him taking more damage than he had to as he did with Manny in the last round of their first fight. De La Hoya was old of course, as was Barrera. Thurman's never been that great and Hatton probably isn't looking like a hall-of-famer. Haha. Pretty to easy to say these are weak wins.

Mayweather? I'd say Corrales, Pacquioa, Mosley, DLH and Marquez. Corrales was never that great and Mayweather did his share of running in that fight and really just seemed to wear him down. I don't think Corrales ever had an ounce of fear of Mayweather. With Pac, again, he ran quite a bit. With Mosley and DLH, they were well past it and DLH arguably won. Marquez was a much smaller man coming up. So, it's easy to discredit any win really with the exception of Duran's win over Leonard. That's the type of victory Pac and May do not have. I will say though, that if Pac beats Spence, that will be extraordinary and I would compare it with Duran-Leonard I. Time will tell...

Broke that into paragraphs for ya, hard to read bro.

The problem here is the way you're beating up the record isn't legitimate (especially the Floyd portion). That's why I say you can't legitimately do it to everyone, you're just reaching mostly, not a lot of hard facts and you got a lot of lines crossed.

it wasn't that MAB and Morales were old, it was because they had wars with each other and Manny got them right after. Historically, fighters that do trilogies plus leave part of their best in those fights and are never the same. It's boxing history. You don't know that so you're not being legitimate.

Thurman is a great fighter. JMM was a great fighter and one of the only guys not on a losing streak which is why Manny went life & death with him so much. I have JMM winning all but the first fight which was a draw. ON PAPER, Manny got the wins, get it?

Floyd, come on man, Coralles was a great fighter and most people had Corrales stopping Floyd. Mosley was fine knocking out Margarito the fight before Floyd and Floyd was chasing Shane and Oscar for years, not his fault they couldn't get it done and there is only a 3 year gap between Shane turning pro and Floyd turning pro. Hardly a massive advantage.

Oscar clearly lost 116-112, not even close to winning, if you think there is an arguement there YDKSAB, straight up.

Why would you pick JMM over Canelo? Doesn't make sense, but you clearly DKSAB so I get it.

You can't really discredit Floyds resume without sounding like a complete idiot. Plenty of fighters you can't do that too, you're just new or unteachable.

But back to the point of the spear, Duran doesn't have great wins against guys that are even past it like Manny does.

BTW, Trampler is the matchmaker for Top Rank. All Manny's best wins were against guys that had big recent losses or went through massive wars like MAB and Morales so those are **'d, got it?

Right so back to the points, Duran's wins are against mostly shethouses. He doesn't have great names for wins on his record. If they were past it or not doesn't matter, the names aren't there.

Like I said originally, Manny ON PAPER has beaten better opossition that Duran and picking a top 5 Duran win wise is very difficult, because they're not there.

Mannys record ON PAPER shets on Duran's. Argue till you're blue in the face, you'll never be right and the longer you fight it, the dumber you look.

[War Room]

I’m huge Floyd fan and think he among top 10 in skills

anyways I imagine what Floyd Duran would be

Duran one of 3 without a size advantage I could see beating Floyd at least once in a trilogy

the others being Henry Armstrong and Pernell Whitaker

You even seen Armstrong fight? He sucks.

Duran would whiff against Floyd. Only reason he beat Leonard because Leonard didn't have any defense that wasn't his feet.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

jeff Horn would get aped by duran

duran can fight inside unlike manny and was one mean SOB in the ring

He’d outdirty the mauler Horn if need be

Oh man. For sure. I'd give Horn maybe five rounds. Haha.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Broke that into paragraphs for ya, hard to read bro.

The problem here is the way you're beating up the record isn't legitimate (especially the Floyd portion). That's why I say you can't legitimately do it to everyone, you're just reaching mostly, not a lot of hard facts and you got a lot of lines crossed.

it wasn't that MAB and Morales were old, it was because they had wars with each other and Manny got them right after. Historically, fighters that do trilogies plus leave part of their best in those fights and are never the same. It's boxing history. You don't know that so you're not being legitimate.

Thurman is a great fighter. JMM was a great fighter and one of the only guys not on a losing streak which is why Manny went life & death with him so much. I have JMM winning all but the first fight which was a draw. ON PAPER, Manny got the wins, get it?

Floyd, come on man, Coralles was a great fighter and most people had Corrales stopping Floyd. Mosley was fine knocking out Margarito the fight before Floyd and Floyd was chasing Shane and Oscar for years, not his fault they couldn't get it done and there is only a 3 year gap between Shane turning pro and Floyd turning pro. Hardly a massive advantage.

Oscar clearly lost 116-112, not even close to winning, if you think there is an arguement there YDKSAB, straight up.

Why would you pick JMM over Canelo? Doesn't make sense, but you clearly DKSAB so I get it.

You can't really discredit Floyds resume without sounding like a complete idiot. Plenty of fighters you can't do that too, you're just new or unteachable.

But back to the point of the spear, Duran doesn't have great wins against guys that are even past it like Manny does.

BTW, Trampler is the matchmaker for Top Rank. All Manny's best wins were against guys that had big recent losses or went through massive wars like MAB and Morales so those are **'d, got it?

Right so back to the points, Duran's wins are against mostly shethouses. He doesn't have great names for wins on his record. If they were past it or not doesn't matter, the names aren't there.

Like I said originally, Manny ON PAPER has beaten better opossition that Duran and picking a top 5 Duran win wise is very difficult, because they're not there.

Mannys record ON PAPER shets on Duran's. Argue till you're blue in the face, you'll never be right and the longer you fight it, the dumber you look.

By old, I mean that MAB and Morales were old in boxing terms, having gone through wars. Thurman is not a great fighter. He never was but that's all opinion. I left out Canelo on Floyd and that would be in his top five, true. Floyd did run in many of his fights. You can deny it but it's still true. Mosley and DLH were clearly past it. It doesn't matter about chasing afte them. When they fought Floyd, they were past it. It's that simple. I can discredit anybody's resume. You discredited Duran's. Youre' not an idiot for doing so and I'm not an idiot for discrediting Floyd's. Tons of people have because its not that great. As far as Trampler, like I say, I don't pay attention to the business side that much. It's boring, frankly. Duran beat plenty of top guys but his career was long ago. I'm sorry that boxrec won't break all these things down for you. You just have to go back and read up on it. Manny's record still doesn't include a win over a legend in his prime. Neither does Mayweather's. Duran will always have the Leonard fight to hold over their heads and neither one of them beats Leonard either. But is Pac this generation's Duran? Like I say, I don't even know what that means. Who gives a s h i t? You'll just have to read up on things and do some more research. Throwing out insults only makes you look worse, man. In time, people will look at Mayweather's resume and say, "Coralles? Who was that?" It's just the way it is, man. And I've been watching boxing for decades. I know great fighters like Duran and Armstrong. They would slaughter this generation easily. You're dreaming, man.

[djtmal]

Broke that into paragraphs for ya, hard to read bro.

The problem here is the way you're beating up the record isn't legitimate (especially the Floyd portion). That's why I say you can't legitimately do it to everyone, you're just reaching mostly, not a lot of hard facts and you got a lot of lines crossed.

it wasn't that MAB and Morales were old, it was because they had wars with each other and Manny got them right after. Historically, fighters that do trilogies plus leave part of their best in those fights and are never the same. It's boxing history. You don't know that so you're not being legitimate.

Thurman is a great fighter. JMM was a great fighter and one of the only guys not on a losing streak which is why Manny went life & death with him so much. I have JMM winning all but the first fight which was a draw. ON PAPER, Manny got the wins, get it?

Floyd, come on man, Coralles was a great fighter and most people had Corrales stopping Floyd. Mosley was fine knocking out Margarito the fight before Floyd and Floyd was chasing Shane and Oscar for years, not his fault they couldn't get it done and there is only a 3 year gap between Shane turning pro and Floyd turning pro. Hardly a massive advantage.

Oscar clearly lost 116-112, not even close to winning, if you think there is an arguement there YDKSAB, straight up.

Why would you pick JMM over Canelo? Doesn't make sense, but you clearly DKSAB so I get it.

You can't really discredit Floyds resume without sounding like a complete idiot. Plenty of fighters you can't do that too, you're just new or unteachable.

But back to the point of the spear, Duran doesn't have great wins against guys that are even past it like Manny does.

BTW, Trampler is the matchmaker for Top Rank. All Manny's best wins were against guys that had big recent losses or went through massive wars like MAB and Morales so those are **'d, got it?

Right so back to the points, Duran's wins are against mostly shethouses. He doesn't have great names for wins on his record. If they were past it or not doesn't matter, the names aren't there.

Like I said originally, Manny ON PAPER has beaten better opossition that Duran and picking a top 5 Duran win wise is very difficult, because they're not there.

Mannys record ON PAPER shets on Duran's. Argue till you're blue in the face, you'll never be right and the longer you fight it, the dumber you look.

Margarito
Horn
Marquez
Morales
Spence

Manny gets the respect he gets because win or lose this guy is forever fighting guys who stylistically is just a bad matchup.

Floyd's resume is discredited so much in part because it reads like a who's who of slow, flat footed, short armed, fighters. Floyd fought like a guy scared to lose his zero.

Yeah Floyd was calling out Oscar but who was Oscar fighting Prime Vargas, Shane, Hopkins, etc. nobody really cared about Pretty Boy, when Floyd stepped up his market value he got the fight, but then what happened; Floyd was cherrypick City when he held all the cards.

Duran even with losses, ko'd etc is universally recognized as top 10 atg. Manny is cut from that cloth.

[Pac=Duran]

Called it boys

[Roadblock]

lol that was different. Floyd was allowed to foul clinch the whole night. HUGE difference. Try again.

Ok I will use your words.

Forgot to add. Duran won the first fight with SRL because Sugar played his game and made it a slug fest. The second fight wasn't. Floyd boxed and Manny couldn't catch him. Meaning, Manny had poorer footwork for boxers who fights at a distance and uses the whole ring. Pac has great footwork. That's a huge factor on why Duran can't be top 3 for me. He lacks those quick dynamic feet. Manny has that in spades.

[War Room]

By old, I mean that MAB and Morales were old in boxing terms, having gone through wars. Thurman is not a great fighter. He never was but that's all opinion. I left out Canelo on Floyd and that would be in his top five, true. Floyd did run in many of his fights. You can deny it but it's still true. Mosley and DLH were clearly past it. It doesn't matter about chasing afte them. When they fought Floyd, they were past it. It's that simple.

Shane turned pro 3 years earlier than Floyd, how was he past it?



The fight before Mayweather this is Shane, again does he look past it? Fcuk no, he looks like a G!

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Shane below starches Mayorga right before the Margarito fight, again ---> how is Shane past it you peasant?

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I can discredit anybody's resume.

Sure, but it doesn't mean you can look good or make sense doing it. How many times do I have to beat this shet into your rock head before you get it?

You discredited Duran's. Youre' not an idiot for doing so and I'm not an idiot for discrediting Floyd's. Tons of people have because its not that great.

Yes, because Durans wins are lacklustre. People hate Floyd because he's loud and black. They have no legs to stand on.

As far as Trampler, like I say, I don't pay attention to the business side that much. It's boring, frankly.

It's not boring and it just shows you lack depth, YDKSAB, and don't know how matchmaking works. How is matchmaking boring? It's the opposite of boring, great fights are great lmao. Are you for real??

Duran beat plenty of top guys but his career was long ago. I'm sorry that boxrec won't break all these things down for you. You just have to go back and read up on it.

No he didn't, that's the point of the spear, he did not. Read up on it? I did, and I lived through it.

Manny's record still doesn't include a win over a legend in his prime. Neither does Mayweather's. Duran will always have the Leonard fight to hold over their heads and neither one of them beats Leonard either. But is Pac this generation's Duran? Like I say, I don't even know what that means. Who gives a s h i t? You'll just have to read up on things and do some more research. Throwing out insults only makes you look worse, man. In time, people will look at Mayweather's resume and say, "Coralles? Who was that?" It's just the way it is, man. And I've been watching boxing for decades. I know great fighters like Duran and Armstrong. They would slaughter this generation easily. You're dreaming, man.

Oscar is a legend, Shane is a legend, JMM is a legend, Morales is a legend of legends, MAB is a legend. Manny's wins > Durans wins, facts.

Read up on things and do more research, for what? I've already kicked your teeth in. I grew up during the time and I fought in the game. I know what I'm talking about, you don't. You're the dreamer here kid.

People will look back at Corrales wars and remark at how gritty he was and how good he was. You're trippin.

Armstrong was arsecheeks. Go watch him fight, talk about booring. Once these old relic historians are dead, Armstrong will be forgotten.

Show me where Floyd ran? People say he ran against Shane, he walked him down. Floyd always walking his opponents down. YDKSAB, period, end of story. Fcuk off and get your levels up before you try and tussle with a legend like me. Don't be showing up with those primitive weapons again or I'll drag you through these streets naked every time.