Top Rank wants Wilder-Fury II this fall

[eco1]

Let's say Wilder does this:
Ortiz 2
Fury 2
Fury 3
Whyte
Ruiz/Joshua winner
Ruiz/Joshua winner again


15 title defenses, undisputed, lineal, beat each of the top heavys in his era. Where does he rank all-time among heavys?

in your delusions?

[kafkod]

Ruiz has over 110 amateur fights to just AJ's 43; Which means he has twice the amateur experience of Anthony Joshua.

In addition, who exactly were some of these bums that Anthony Joshua defeated in order to win his Gold English National, Gold Great Britain and Silver World Championships as well as his Olympic Gold medal?

I've rumors that a lot of his Olympic Gold medal bouts were questionable. Many believed that he received several gift decisions for a lot of them.

The only reason why he was given the benefit of the doubt because the Games were hosted in London and he was the hometown favorite.

Was he also the hometown favourite in Azerbaijan when he won silver in the World Championships?

Whatever happens in the pros, AJ was clearly a better amateur than Ruiz, so bringing up Andy's "amateur pedigree" as a reason why he beats AJ in the rematch is absurd.

[champion4ever]

Was he also the hometown favourite in Azerbaijan when he won silver in the World Championships?

Whatever happens in the pros, AJ was clearly a better amateur than Ruiz, so bringing up Andy's "amateur pedigree" as a reason why he beats AJ in the rematch is absurd.

What I am saying is Ruiz's skills are more polished and refined than Joshua's that's all.

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What I am saying is Ruiz's skills are more polished and refined than Joshua's that's all.

Ruiz has been boxing longer but more refined ? Hes more fluid but doesn't have the technique of Joshua who has more snap and torque. Ruiz is more arm puncher that throws his weight behind it.

[champion4ever]

Ruiz has been boxing longer but more refined ? Hes more fluid but doesn't have the technique of Joshua who has more snap and torque. Ruiz is more arm puncher that throws his weight behind it.

Then why did Joshua lose to him, if he was the better and superior fighter?

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Then why did Joshua lose to him, if he was the better and superior fighter?

No one said anything about superior ,unless you just started watching boxing sometimes the better prepared fighter wins or better chinned not the better technical. How did AJ manage the first knockdown when trading if he isn't the better technical fighter ? Makes no sense what you are arguing.

[champion4ever]

No one said anything about superior ,unless you just started watching boxing sometimes the better prepared fighter wins or better chinned not the better technical. How did AJ manage the first knockdown when trading if he isn't the better technical fighter ? Makes no sense what you are arguing.

Yeah, but the guy got back up and showed exactly what type of heart and character he has, by subsequently dropping AJ shortly after that first knockdown.

AJ seemed lost to me. He kept asking his corner for advice. He kept asking them why am I feeling this way.? Which doesn't seem like a very confident fighter too me.

That was the primary reason why he quit. He couldn't solve the Ruiz puzzle. He was both outboxed and badly hurt by him.

[kafkod]

What I am saying is Ruiz's skills are more polished and refined than Joshua's that's all.

Ruiz is very good technically, but limited in what he can do by his short stature, short arms, and slow feet caused by carrying too much weight. That's probably why he never medalled in a major tournament as an amateur.

Before the first fight I was saying here that AJ would probably win if he used his physical advantages and boxed carefully, with discipline, like he did against Parker. But if he went into the fight thinking he needed to make a statement in his US debut by blasting Ruiz out, he could end up in trouble, because Ruiz is not the kind of guy you can just walk out and blow away, even if you hit as hard as AJ.

I'm sure AJ learned a lesson from what happened first time around and will be more careful in the rematch. But even if he does everything right, there is still a possibility that he could run out of steam and get stopped again, because Ruiz has more stamina than him.

[champion4ever]

Ruiz is very good technically, but limited in what he can do by his short stature, short arms, and slow feet caused by carrying too much weight. That's probably why he never medalled in a major tournament as an amateur.

Before the first fight I was saying here that AJ would probably win if he used his physical advantages and boxed carefully, with discipline, like he did against Parker. But if he went into the fight thinking he needed to make a statement in his US debut by blasting Ruiz out, he could end up in trouble, because Ruiz is not the kind of guy you can just walk out and blow away, even if you hit as hard as AJ.

I'm sure AJ learned a lesson from what happened first time around and will be more careful in the rematch. But even if he does everything right, there is still a possibility that he could run out of steam and get stopped again, because Ruiz has more stamina than him.

I agree. He was overconfident by overlooking Ruiz and got clipped. However, the question is, could Joshua fight off the back foot.

If he can I've never seen it. The only time I've ever seen AJ back up and circle, was when he was either tired or hurt like he was in the Klitschko fight.

Other than that, Joshua is a front foot fighter. He is at his best collapsing the pocket, fighting at short range and throwing combinations punches rather than jabs.

Also, in order for AJ to implement that stick and move strategy he is going to have to come weighing at least 20 lbs lighter than before. All of those muscles are going to fatigue and tire him out fighting that style.

However, I still expect Ruiz to blitz and bum rush AJ by forcing him onto his back foot anyway.

[kafkod]

I agree. He was overconfident by overlooking Ruiz and got clipped. However, the question is, could Joshua fight off the back foot.

If he can I've never seen it. The only time I've ever seen AJ back up and circle, was when he was either tired or hurt like he was in the Klitschko fight.

Other than that, Joshua is a front foot fighter. He is at his best collapsing the pocket, fighting at short range and throwing combinations punches rather than jabs.

Also, in order for AJ to implement that stick and move strategy he is going to have to come weighing at least 20 lbs lighter than before. All of those muscles are going to fatigue and tire him out fighting that style.

However, I still expect Ruiz to blitz and bum rush AJ by forcing him onto his back foot anyway.

That would be a big mistake by Ruiz! You seem to be forgetting that AJ dropped Andy hard, and only ended up getting dropped himself because he went in recklessly looking to finish it.

It takes AJ 2 or 3 rounds to fully recover after getting buzzed. We saw that in the Whyte and Klitschko fights. Ruiz applied steady pressure and didn't give him a chance to to recover. But if AJ had been more disciplined after scoring that knock down, and hadn't got clipped himself, it would have been a different fight.