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Originally posted by Bronx2245 View PostI disagree. If Pacquiao beats Thurman, and Spence beats Pacquiao, he's a STAR! That fight would be huge, and Jerry Jones would be all over it! However, that win does not make him "better" than Bud Crawford! Remember how the Brits kept saying Joshua was the best because he had three belts, and Wilder only had one? Same thing! Errol can beat Pacquiao to become a "STAR," but he has to beat Crawford (or Canelo) to be considered "THE BEST!"
Beating Manny in a big PPV will elevate him, but he needs to win a fight he isn't the runaway favorite in to make the leap to stardom.
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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View PostThe people that think that , as the threads show, are either Floyd uber haters or Manny diehards. I think boxing fans recognize that Thurman, for example, while younger than Cotto, Manny, ODH, Shane and JMM when Floyd fought them is not as good now as they were at the age they fought Floyd.
We can't just make younger equate to better. Which, going back to my original post, is why if a Richard Hamilton or Jerry Stackhouse gets the better of Jordan when he was on the Wizards, it doesn't affect his legacy.
Now if Manny beats Crawford and Spence, 2 top 5 p4p fighters, then I think it fair to look at those wins like you do a Duran over Davey Moore or a Barrera over Hamed.
But he still wouldn't pass Floyd, the same way LeBron winning a couple titles late in his career will not elevate him past Jordan.
Now I am a huge fan of basketball also. There is a segment who believes Lebron is better than MJ right now looking at both of their careers and almost every factor you would use to weigh both of them. But I am with MJ all day. I think he is the goat, some people disagree just like they will with Manny and Floyd. I think Floyd’s better. I guess the point I was making if I use your analogy. It would be like Lebron beating the Warriors in their prime last year with his new Lakers team without the addition of Anthony Davis. Or Lebron beating that warriors team the year before with the average players he had on the cavs before he went to the lakers. Kyrie Irving was on the Celtics that year and Lebron only had Kevin Love. So some people would justify with (2) more titles and the teams Lebron won them with would have said 5-3 in finals is better than MJ’s 6-0. Like I said earlier, some people actually have the nerve to say today that 3-5 LJ is better than 6-0 MJ.Last edited by markther; 06-26-2019, 09:55 AM.
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Originally posted by Jwil20 View PostPaq walked in the ring only to duck Spence so blantantly. This quote is just for headlines nothing here to see
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Originally posted by markther View PostTrue, Floyd definitely did it his way and took the least amount of punishment and took advantage of the earning potential in his era. And it does depend on who you ask. That fight with Floyd should have taken place years prior but it’s a win on Floyd’s resume nonetheless. Can’t take that away from him.
But I don’t get into the wins and losses as a pure boxing fan.
Like you said, depends on who you ask.
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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View PostHe didn't look any different. He has KO's when enrolled in VADA. he most likely took it easy on Mikey.
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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View PostAT this stage I don't think beating Manny has the same cache. Between PPV sales and illegal streams, some 15 million fans saw the Floyd fight and he looked weak and terrible. His star power has been severely lacking ever since.
Beating Manny in a big PPV will elevate him, but he needs to win a fight he isn't the runaway favorite in to make the leap to stardom.
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I think the whole "if x fighter beats Pac, then x fighter becomes a star" thing is kinda silly. I mean did Horn become a star? Did Bradley? Bradley got rich but ask any causal who Tim Bradley is & I'd bet anything they'd have no clue & he fought Pac 3x.
I think just fighting Pacquiao gets you a considerable amount of exposure but it doesn't guarantee stardom.
Pac woulda been a star regardless if he beat the sh-t out of Dela hoya or not. It was a different time.
I think Spence has the potential to be a star & I don't think he needs Pac to do that.
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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View PostThe people that think that , as the threads show, are either Floyd uber haters or Manny diehards. I think boxing fans recognize that Thurman, for example, while younger than Cotto, Manny, ODH, Shane and JMM when Floyd fought them is not as good now as they were at the age they fought Floyd.
We can't just make younger equate to better. Which, going back to my original post, is why if a Richard Hamilton or Jerry Stackhouse gets the better of Jordan when he was on the Wizards, it doesn't affect his legacy.
Now if Manny beats Crawford and Spence, 2 top 5 p4p fighters, then I think it fair to look at those wins like you do a Duran over Davey Moore or a Barrera over Hamed.
But he still wouldn't pass Floyd, the same way LeBron winning a couple titles late in his career will not elevate him past Jordan.
That is if we are about to watch a marathon huggathon event.
Floyd all day!
No one can compare. Best Runner EVA'
Last edited by Spoon23; 06-26-2019, 10:09 AM.
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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View PostNO he is not, at least from what I can tell. I address it in Spoon's thread.
Accusations aimed at both fighters followed. Pacquiao’s representative Sean Gibbons then moved to clear things up regarding the July 20 bout.
“Nevada State Athletic Commission is using VADA style testing for Manny Pacquiao’s fight with Keith Thurman,” Gibbons exclusively told World Boxing News.
“It should also be noted that Senator Pacquiao is enrolled in the World Boxing Council / Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) 365 24/7 program,” he added.
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