Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua Wasn't a True Champion, Whole Career Full of Lies

[MisanthropicNY]

Still and just the same, Wilder has never been knocked down or lost any of his fights. Never been KO'd either.

Can't take anyone seriously who says that Wilder hasn't lost any of his fights. Same fan boys who said Marquez beat Pacquiao the first time, Ward beat Kova the first time and Jacobs beat GGG.

Fury won 10 rounds - 2 knock downs do not overcome that. Wilder couldn't win a round against Fury without a knockdown - simple as that. Fury was landing 1-2s all day on Wilder and making him miss. Even got up in the 12th and won the rest of that round. The rematch is merited however, and especially now.

Tell your boy Windmill to stop hiding on small viewership Showtime and come to the biggest sports brand in the World ESPN and get that smoke. Stop hiding behind Haymon and Espinoza.

[OldTerry]

All great fighters lose, it's how they come back that counts. Now I'm not saying AJ is great, he might not be, but name 1 fighter that's in the hall of fame with 0 losses on their record?

Only Floyd Mayweather and he is a once in a lifetime type of fighter. - I didnt like him but you cant deny he understood the sweet science better than any other fighter.

The next 12 months in the heavyweight division will be interesting.

Look for Ruiz to sign with mathroom/Dazn!

Great comment but you forgot about Rocky Marciano and eventually Joe Calzaghe.

[SUBZER0ED]

Wilder sounds like Trump. How is Joshua's career a bunch of lies? If you really believed that Wilder, you should have jumped at the chance to expose him. Will you fight Ruiz, you ******** scarecrow looking coward?

[OldTerry]

Exposed? Joshua was stopped, not exposed. Big difference. Geez, it's like a fighter these days has a bunch of little jackals running under his heels taunting and whining. I had doubts too whether or not Joshua would be last man standing amongst the HWs. But I never thought he was a phony. We'll see what happens in the rematch, and we'll see from the next few fights just how good Ruiz is.

And equally importantly, we saw Ruiz humble in victory, and Joshua humble in defeat. Two true sportsmen. Yet Wilder calls Joshua a bum afterwards. So THERE will likely be the real pretender. Tell me again Wilder how you actually think you'll get by all 3... Ortiz, Fury, Ruiz. Then Joshua. I don't see it.

We may get belts switching hands as much as we did back in the 80s/90s, or we could find out who the real king of HWs is within the next year or two. Bottom line, this could turn out to be another golden age for the division, and we fans are the winners in all this. I for one am really looking forward to the next few years.

I see Wilder getting by all the guys you mentioned with the possible exception of Tyson Fury.

[MisanthropicNY]

Wilder was too much of a coward to fight Joshua in the UK - missed his biggest payday and would have been recognized as a legend if he had gone to the UK and KO'd Joshua.

Now Wilder will just be known as the guy who got schooled by Fury and received a gift draw and never made the fight happen with Joshua when people wanted it. He ran back to Showtime to fight a Joshua leftover when he was a free agent.

[techliam]

Again respectfully disagree

Fury has the best Win when he went to enemy territory and beat the man who was the Reigning King of the Division when it mattered.

AJ didn’t beat Klit for those straps/ In fact the only reason AJ had those straps to begin with is because Fury decided to have a ******* & doughnut fuelled sabbatical. AJ was never the man because he earned it / He was #1 because his popularity allowed him to pick off weak strap holders by giving them more $ then they’d get elsewhere. AJ still hasn’t fought the 3 most dangerous HWs to prove his worth. The Crown was still up for grabs at HW between AJ / Fury / Wilder. The only thing that’s changed is AJ might have possibly dropped out of that discussion after last night

Without Out any other even half decent wins on his CV and not knowing if this win is a anomaly or a good style matchup , Ruiz hasn’t proved or deserves to be #2

Fury beat the man when it mattered

Wilders the longest reigning strap holder in the sport / Has faced the biggest threats in the division and still has his strap and his body of work of caliber of fighters he’s beaten sh.its on Ruiz’s. Besides AJ Ruiz doesn’t even have a scalp that is even on Brezeales /Stiverne /Arreolla Level.

This one W doesn’t allow him to leapfrog to #2. Yes he beat the #1 , now do it again in the rematch or face some of the divisions threats to prove it wasn’t a fluke.

The top 2 are Wikder / Fury and while Fury proved what we all know he’s the better boxer he also laid unconscious and lifeless in the 12th for 6 seconds ( Most refs would have called the fight ) and may not have even beaten the count if Reiss hadn’t been so startled that he woke up and lost track of his count, Nothing was definitely settled and Fury ran from a Immediate rematch. You can’t reward that and have him ranked #1

Official decisions may not have bearings to how good a fighter is when that fighter avoided a Immediate rematch to make things right it sure does.

1 Wilder
2 Fury
3 Ruiz
4 AJ

Because of Ruiz’s resume lacking any depth his position at 3 isn’t even safe. He can get leapfrogged by Whyte / Ortiz / Usyk rather easily if any of them they get a solid win or 2.

Ruiz has the trinkets but as of right now he hasn’t proven he’s among the best
In the division and the rightful owner to those straps

Maybe he Buster Douglassed it last night and caught a unmotivated AJ / Maybe he had the fight of his life
Never to be repeated again

Maybe this is the beginning of Ruiz showing he’s the man to beat at HW ( I doubt it )

But we don’t know yet so there’s no way he should leapfrog a fighter who right now is the longest reigning strap holder in the sport and by the time he fights next will be in the all time top 10 HW Champions Reigns.

Yes Ruiz won last night but 1 night doesn’t allow him to jump the queue when the rest of his resume is so lacklustre

I don’t think whether you think Fury avoided a rematch or not should matter. I don’t think one was necessary in the first place, but obviously the scorecards were so wrong.

AJ was ranked no.1 simply because he did a little bit more than everyone else (sans Fury, who you can easily argue to be no.1 since 2015, though his retirement saga is the blurred lines). It’s not out of merit, more out of the others doing even less.

This fluke argument, I don’t buy it. If this win was a fluke, then we need to wait until Wilder/Ortiz 2 to see if that win was a fluke. Other than that, Wilder has done nothing, so I can’t personally justify putting him over Whyte in that case.

I have noted your tone, and appreciate having a genuinely reasonable debate instead of throwing the usual NSB insults

[yoshik]

The dumbest man on earth will be jabbering like an idiot for days and then Ortiz will drop and stop him. Wilder is the worst boxer in history. Ruiz would stop him too. This crack heads biggest pay day ever went away because he didn't fight AJ in the UK. Dumbas s

[OldTerry]

What strings? Wilder wanted a tune up and they gave him the option. Only thing there was a rematch clause if he won which is standard from all champions. Wilder wanted nothing to do with Joshua and he is feeling like a mug right now because he could have had his tune up and would still be fighting Joshua next for big money.

Not true! What is true is that at this point in time Wilder has first say as to the terms of a fight against AJ.

[yoshik]

If given the chance Wilder will sleep Ruiz easy. He is tailor made for Wilder. Wilder wins inside of three rounds

Ruiz can beat Wilder. WILDER SUCKS!! DUMBEST BLACK MAN ON EARTH. Blew a $50M payday being a chicken s h i t.

[D4thincarnation]

You ought to keep Deontay's name out your mouth until his fight in the fall. You fell victim to dickriding your home town hero who was clearly chinny as all hell.

He only beat paper champions? Lmao....well at least he didn't get beat by a NON-Champion LMFAO. Knocked out, no less

Wilder is a paper champ, you know that right?

You think he beat Fury?