Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua Wasn't a True Champion, Whole Career Full of Lies

[Mask]

British fans are ridiculous still trying to twist this into a loss for Wilder is pathetic. AJ should have erased Ruiz same way Wilder did. And the super fight can still happen, AJ just has to man up and win his belts back.

[chrisJS]

AJ should have erased Ruiz same way Wilder did.

You are aware that Wilder hasn’t fought Ruiz aren’t you?

[NachoMan]

I've been telling the gullible fan boys on here that Fury is the number 1 Heavyweight. Joshua got exposed. Fury exposed Wilder. So Fury v. Wilder again to make it clear who the number 1 Heavyweight is is obviously the fight.

Hold on a minute! Doesn't Ruiz figure into this discussion now?

[texasboi15]

Joshua fans have now turned to hardcore Fury fans overnight

BWaHaahaHA!!!

[NachoMan]

What i observed is Joshua has a weak chin. He will probably win the rematch. But right now he seems to be the lowest of the big 3.

What did you see last night that makes you believe that AJ will will the rematch? It's possible that he could win a decision in the UK, but I don't see him going 12 strong rounds with Ruiz. Ruiz appears to have a great beard, very good stamina, and, most importantly, seems twice as smart as AJ. He's going to KO him again.

[Iamsmoke89]

Exposed? Joshua was stopped, not exposed. Big difference. Geez, it's like a fighter these days has a bunch of little jackals running under his heels taunting and whining. I had doubts too whether or not Joshua would be last man standing amongst the HWs. But I never thought he was a phony. We'll see what happens in the rematch, and we'll see from the next few fights just how good Ruiz is.

And equally importantly, we saw Ruiz humble in victory, and Joshua humble in defeat. Two true sportsmen. Yet Wilder calls Joshua a bum afterwards. So THERE will likely be the real pretender. Tell me again Wilder how you actually think you'll get by all 3... Ortiz, Fury, Ruiz. Then Joshua. I don't see it.

We may get belts switching hands as much as we did back in the 80s/90s, or we could find out who the real king of HWs is within the next year or two. Bottom line, this could turn out to be another golden age for the division, and we fans are the winners in all this. I for one am really looking forward to the next few years.

Aj lost the belts so y are u saying and then Joshua

[Marchegiano]

Saddest thing is no one's going to look into ****. They're just going to pivot to Fury.

Folks think because they can count punches they can score a fight. They think they can because they listen to boxing experts but they are either too lazy or too ****** to even try to legitimize the **** experts say.

It's boxing, it's about hitting and not being hit back, right? Sure, if you're a mark.

Hitting and not being hit back was the advent of Daniel "The ***" Mendoza. He made it specifically to generate more money. The industry loves boxers over punchers because it makes more money off a stable of boxers than punchers. You hear trainers, promoters, the media, and 'knowledgeable" fans all exalt boxing over punching and there's so much focus on punch count compubox solely focuses on it. There are no CompuBox stats for posture game, just punches. Boxers have longer careers and generate more money overtime. They're long term investments and safe. Punchers are get rich quick and risky.

So what you end up with is an industry that's bias in favor of the skill sets that generate them more money and fans lovingly paying more money to see it happen. Agreeing the whole time "Boxing is about hitting and not being hit" and " A great boxer will always beat a great puncher"

In 300 years how many boxers went unbeaten at HW? Marciano may be the only unbeaten HW champion in the gloved era but he's not the only unbeaten HW champion. When fighting like Marciano was the norm, in the bare knuckle era, there were 10 unbeaten HW champions. That's a lot of wins in the puncher's column and a whole lot of time to cover for **** excuses like "weak era" for the boxers.

No, the truth is boxing as a sport knows the form that goes without losses but does everything in its power to belittle that form because money runs everything. Fans are marks and are more inclined to believe their favorite boxer or trainer knows more about boxing as a whole than experts whose lives are dedicated to the history and rules of the entire sport. Because a trainer gets paid to know what he teaches well not to know everything. A judge is paid to know everything.

So fans, who really did try to learn boxing, score for Fury and can't understand why men who are members of the IBRO and **** like that would score for Wilder. Rather than ever giving anyone the benefit of doubt and looking into any explanation as to why professional judges judge the way they do folks cry robbery and drag pros names through the mud while whining about conspiracy.

Honestly, I've seen very little straight up robberies in my lifetime. I've seen a whole lot of crying from ignorant fans who refuse to see boxing through that judge's eyes who scored differently from them.

Maybe the fact that CompuBox doesn't track posture or position ought to be all you need to know to know boxing has a heavy bias. I dunno, that's what got me to look into it. If one form is more focused on landing punches and another is focused on posturing and the media only focuses on one of these two things that's your ****in' sign you ****in' mark.


Deontay Wilder got a fair draw. All you need to score in favor of Wilder is an affinity for posturing. All you need for Fury is an affinity for punch county. The judge's affinities are codified in the rules, they are meant to judge based on what they look for not what "everyone looks for" because no one can watch everything live. So, Ideally you'd have one who loves punching, one who loves boxing, and one who loves a combination. You got that and it is reflected in the judging of that close fight but rather than anyone praising the judges for judging a close HW title fight fairly y'all would rather pick a side and demonize the other....because yer mooks and marks.

[Alan Smithee]

You mean like all the pros and boxing experts who had AJ down as a dead cert to win last night. Tell us then, mofo boxing oracle, how much did you bet & win on last nights result?
You and your expert hindsight bs. Grow up.

Obviously you haven't been on this forum lately. My nickname for this stiff was Frank Bruno 2.0. Boxing oracle? You just need to know the game to know that Joshua was another british hypejob with no chin and little stamina!

[Cobra Curry]

The real question is did people not know how the dazn deal offered to wilder works? Aj would of still had to fight Ruiz first in his USA debut because first fight of wilder deal with dazn was his mandatory fight against breazeale so aj still would of blown that fight up by losing

Obviously that's true, but at least we'd have seen some intent from him as opposed to "I don't need to fight Joshua for the next 2 years".

[factsarenice]

If Wilder didn't avoid AJ he'd have $100 million and possibly with all the belts.

Wilder should be pissed at sneaky Shelly. Finkel talked Wilder out of 100 million and for what??? a stinking 3 to 10 per fight?