Is Luis Ortiz a dud opponent at this point?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Lol yeah. I'm kinda leaning Gorman on that one.

I’m leaning towards Gorman on points myself. I’m not majorly sold on Dubois

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I wouldn't say clearly top 5. Him and Povetkin have been 5/6 for a while now.

He’s clearly top 5 IMO, Povetkin has looked faded for a few years at this point. His last decent win was Hammer in Dec 2017? He’s never looked the same since he popped for PED’s.

I’m not trying to suggest Ortiz is elite or anything but I’d definitely consider him top 5 in this very weak HW division

[QueensburyRules]

He has no name value. Nobody knows who he is. He hasn't been keeping relevant by fighting other contenders. Casual boxing fans don't even know who he is. He's at least 50 years old. Is anyone genuinely excited to see him get a payday against Fury, AJ or Wilder?

I feel like Wilder-Ortiz II would go down similar to Wilder-Stiverne II. Bit of a dud fight, and I'm a Wilder fan. Ortiz was only ever rated highly by Wilder diehards. I'd rather see Wilder fight a combination of Adam Kownacki, Jarrell Miller, Joseph Parker and/or Dillian Whyte.

- -The TBA short notice career of Deyonce ain't built on pleasing you.

Deyonce pleases herself. Time to move on.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Fury, AJ, Wilder, Whyte, Parker, Miller, Povetkin, Ruiz Jr., Rivas, Pulev, Usyk. Arguably Chisora, Joyce, Hrgovic, Kownacki, Takam, Hughie Fury.

Every name after Whyte is embarrassing mate😂😂

Joyce has got to be a p***take🤣🤣

One Usyk fights at HW he’ll be top 5. But until that point you can’t rank him

[Cutthroat]

Yes, who ever says that is 100% correct. What is it from Ortiz career would you say is evidence that that is not the case?

The Jennings fight, what exactly from Pedvetkins career makes you believe he's better?

Name a single fighter Pedvetkin has beaten as good as Jennings. The only guy you're going to be able to find is perez and perez literally admitted to not training and being drunk off his ass in the ring.

[W1LL]

Every name after Whyte is embarrassing mate😂😂

Joyce has got to be a p***take🤣🤣

One Usyk fights at HW he’ll be top 5. But until that point you can’t rank him

Nah, you have been brainwashed and you're massively overrating Ortiz, whilst underrating a lot of the names on that list. What are you basing your opinion off? You'd rate him higher than Olympic medallists and former professional World champions? Why?

[Cutthroat]

Povetkin is considered a better opponent because he's proven his worth in the ring.

Ortiz has never done that.

Uh against who?

Going life and death with cruiserweight Huck?
Getting blown out by Wlad?
His win over a drunk Mike Perez that Jennnings already beat?
Getting dropped by Price?
Having to come back after being out boxed by Takam?

And this was on all sorts of PEDs


What exactly has he done other than lose and lose BADLY to the best guys he faced?

[Cutthroat]

Nah, you have been brainwashed and you're massively overrating Ortiz, whilst underrating a lot of the names on that list. What are you basing your opinion off? You'd rate him higher than Olympic medallists and former professional World champions? Why?

What exactly did Shyte show against Chisora that makes you believe hes anywhere as good as ortiz?

It just blows my mind, he proved himself vs Jennings and Jennings proved himself vs Wlad.

Even pedvetkins best win in like the past decade was Bryant Jennings leftovers Perez who was literally drunk in the ring.

Everywhere else you're reaching.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Nah, you have been brainwashed and you're massively overrating Ortiz, whilst underrating a lot of the names on that list. What are you basing your opinion off? You'd rate him higher than Olympic medallists and former professional World champions? Why?

That Olympic Medal was 15 years ago. And he held the REGULAR WBA title. So wasn’t a legit world champion. That’s completely irrelevant😂

Povetkin hasn’t looked good for years. Ortiz is a higher skilled fighter who appears to have more left in the tank despite both being 39 and 40. (And please don’t don’t use the pathetic “Ortiz is actually 50” nonsense)

[LacedUp]

People now claiming Luis Ortiz is a better fighter/opponent than Olympic Gold medal winning, former World Heavyweight champion Alexander Povetkin. This is getting out of hand.

They also claimed Ortiz was better than klitschko