Comments Thread For: Greed or greatness? How will we remember this heavyweight era

[Eff Pandas]

I think you understand perfectly.

I don't consider you one of those that needs to f3ck off, but you're definitely a nearly man. You're close to it.

Wilder wouldn't be able to run if everyone saw things for what they truly are and called him out on it. Hell, even when Wilder said he isn't fighting AJ next, the host actually thought AJ was still the one ducking. That's the "Quality" we get from those overseas. No one is professional. No one exists inside f3cking reality it seems.

Again I'm lost on your point.

You seem to be caught up in some long forgotten by me back n forth we had.

If you actually got a point & real debate on this topic to bring forth I welcome it, but if you just wanna continue some previous debate we had that still has your attention I have no interest in it. Why don't you go bump that old thread instead & maybe I'll retort in proper context there.

[giant_king]

At lali.deontay legacy began when he beat stiverne for the title beating a roided fury and Ortiz.

[giant_king]

O yea and knocking out breezy in quick easy fashion.

[Detroit29]

Where then is the counter offer from Al for the fight to take place on Showtime? Why are they saying no until 2020?

The next offer from DAZN will just be 2 fights with AJ. The 2 fights Wilder was screaming for just like his fans. Then he can f3ck off to wherever he pleases. No one is asking for him to sign his life away by paying more money for one fight than his whole career combined. To put it like this is deranged and nothing but a pathetic excuse to anyone with a brain.

We're not buying it. Wilder and his fans are as cowardly as each other. They're a match made in hell.

There has been no counter offer that i know of. But there is a reason why AJ hasn't fully committed to DAZN. And AJ could have signed to Showtime but he ran to DAZN because Showtime was forcing the issue. Showtime could ante and bring the heat and maybe they are for the right time to do so. No ever though Wilders stock would rise the way it did and now he can't be lowballed. This is why ESPN and the ESPN offers were so big. As your comment about 2020....

AJ said from his own mouth in 2018 that he would he not be rushed into fighting Wilder. He will fight him when he is the position to win. That could be 2019, or 2020. Welp, he has one more year. And then you have a video on Youtube where Barry Hearn lays out a 7 year plan that didnt include a Wilder fight. So BOTH fighters are on par. And again, why aren't fans urging AJ to sign exclusively to DAZN?

[Sid-Knee]

For God and Country I'll go to the end. In boxing, you rep by country, not city, so of course it is a nation thing, but for you too Sydney!!
I low key gave Herb Hearn credit, he picked up Haney when he was still affordable. Aj is not going to fight wilder any time soon.

You didn't answer my question. Which Heavyweight pays their opponents more than Hearn pays AJ's?

Why are Showtime paying Wilder a lot more than he generates?

[Sid-Knee]

Again I'm lost on your point.

You seem to be caught up in some long forgotten by me back n forth we had.

If you actually got a point & real debate on this topic to bring forth I welcome it, but if you just wanna continue some previous debate we had that still has your attention I have no interest in it. Why don't you go bump that old thread instead & maybe I'll retort in proper context there.

The thread subject is greed. The AJ/Fury/Wilder fights aren't happening due to greed and them pricing themselves out against AJ. But you've said in the past that you don't mind Wilder pricing himself out and should get what he can. You're actually defending him. Questioning why fights aren't happening when you're alright with Wilder pricing himself out and demanding half is just silly to me. But Wilder has even gone on record and said he won't accept 50/50 even if offered. I think he'll get even crazier and demand 60% like I've been saying for well over a year. He's said it before. But for the fans, he'll just take the 50/50.

If we want these fights to happen, fighters and "Fans" should demand rational thought and being reasonable. That way the sport to get on with what it's supposed to be doing. If they don't, we won't even have a sport to follow because it wouldn't make any sense to follow with the way things are going. The fights won't happen due to greed, delusions and cowardice.

Understand now?

[Alan Smithee]

Top to bottom this era of heavyweights is more than decent. You have the big 3 but you also have Whyte, Kownacki, Hunter, Ruiz, Rivas, Jennings, and even Breazeale. Then there are the "young guns": Ajagba, Dubois, Joyce, Hrgovic, Bryan, Kuzmin, Yoka, Fa, and others. Trial horses like Dawejko, Kiladze, Spilka, etc. add to the mix. I have been a fan of this division since the 70's and the quality isn't terrible. The issue is that the big fights are not yet happening!

[Toffee]

are you 14 years old? what about Ali frazier foreman holyfield bowe etc they all fought each other never bums when they were high rated fighters

How old would I need to be to have watched Ali in his prime, at an age I could understand it? 60? No you're right, I'm much younger than 60. And that was a very different era for boxing. It's changed

I do remember the 90s though. We got Holyfield v Bowe X 3 at the right time. And I'm still not quite sure how to rate Bowe - great at his best, but about as fragile as Fury. The other big fights were well past their sell by date.

The equivalent would be waiting another 4 years for Wilder to fight Joshua.

So, no, I don't think this era is too abnormal

[Offic.Scorecard]

Didn't read the article because of it's title. You are living a fantasy for even considering this may be a great heavyweight era.

[DaNeutral.]

Joshua being given crazy money. It's just the way it is. Everybody cool for Floyd or canelo to take it but when it's Joshua it is greed?

Greed goes to the fighters who earn 500k max or a few mill max who block and turn down the fights we all want because 10 x their highest pay day all of a sudden isn't enough even though it wasn't a problem the fight before to take 10x less or the fight after too. Its laughable.

This era is going to be remembered for the shadow of the boogeyman. Huge pay days, chance to become unified or undisputed and they all turn it down. They are supposed to be focused on getting a chance to fight the champ not running away from him.